Czech Boarder Dogs - Page 6

Hans,

'Ace this is one of the best pedigrees I have seen. It is all 3rd line and your dog is typical representative of it.'

Did you mean FOURTH bloodline?

Jago is the 4th, no?

Yes, Jago is the 4th bloodline BUT he displays more characteristics of the 3rd bloodline.  Keep that in mind.

there still are good dogs to find without grimm , but I dont see the problem , ace , I  see you are thinking a bit  different here then on other forum.a dog closely linebred on Grimm  is no problem ,every dog in the world outcrossed to grimm son would be   , a dog linbred 5 times on grimm with great caracter and healthscores would be very interesting because of predictability of offspring and passing on qualities of grimm.
. as far as the line thing goes , dog can be of one line , but be carrying genes and show caracteristics of other line , so what is the use tu put a dog in a box and label it second line or fourth line

@ skyhorse , I would say you dont have czech dog , but dog bred in czech , can be a  superdog , no discussion there , but not a czechdog as mentioned in topic

@ jill , how many great  dogs and combinations/litters you want withour Grimm

Duke - Yes you can find some PED's without heavy linebreeding on Grim. I don't mind a single line breeding.  I don't feel the need for heavy linebreeding on him though (5,5-4 or a 5-5-54...as examples).  With Grim predominantely on many U.S czech peds, he is hard to get away from.  I do agree that you need to see what others dogs are in the PED to help balance things.

How many great dogs do we see that have 5x linebreeding on Grim?

ace , its not in the numbers , you can have a dog with grim 5 times in the 5th generation that doesnot carry any genes or characteristics from grim , its not that simple not for the pros and not for the cons
linebreeding is sooooooooo much more than doubling up names on paper

I didn't say I had a "Czech dog" - the topic is Czech Boarder (Border Patrol) dogs which very few people actually have in the US. I'm very aware of the topic of "who" can really "breed" Czech dogs proper.

I said I had a "Czech born and bred dog" which I am proud of and maybe one day I will get another or a "Czech dog" as such. There are certain traits that Czech LINES bring that I'm very much fond of. I got mine because I wanted more than just a "sport dog".

Donna 

skyhorse , nothing bad meant by me , just my opinion , other than that you have a BEAUTIFUL dog , and can be better than any of my dogs

There are some top exporters of Czech dogs on here all the time Aneribre (spelling)  and some others I would to to Eurosport they always have some top dogs for sale and puppies are so reasonable in Czech for some of the top lines. Paying inflated prices does not assure you of a quality dog

Anrebi certainly has beautiful dogs and Eurosport has an excellent reputation. I would deal directly with Eurosport and have never heard a bad thing about them.

" Most, if not all of them are mixed with other lines. The best GSD I ever had was a mix of Czech, ddr, and west. "
that is what I have :)

am still learning and trying to figure out the different Czech kennels.
I'd like to go to Hans Prager's seminar some day...
does anyone know what "Ulcova Dvora" is?
This Ulcova Dvora dog, for example, was sired by Treu vom Schaferstolz, a DDR dog imported to Czech and used at PS.
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=62623
thanks,