Kennel Club press release - Page 6

Instead of attempting to bring any form of legal proceeding, all the evidence, minutes of meetings etc between the GSD partnership and the KC needs to be sent to every National Newspaper.

The Kennel Club need to be held accountable for their actions.

Show the general public that the breed clubs aren't the bad guys in this.

Take it public... because it is the PUBLIC that need to understand.

There is a far bigger picture than just the GSD Breed, this affects all breeds.

I have to agree with Peterlee and Carol, The K.C. have made their mind up, they have sent out a contract for clubs to sign and return by a said date. I think we have more chance of seeing God than getting the K.C. to change the terms. They have stated no returned contract no C.C. I can't see them accepting any of the suggested additions to section 9. Remember the K.C. is a private club, and we have had to abide by its rules in all sections, from breeding, and shows for years. We agree not to double handle every time we sign an entry form and show our dogs. So why get into a fight with them, If we are saying we no longer agree with certain rules anymore, and the K.C. will not change, and will withhold the C.C. There is no point in fighting them, legally or any other way. We will always end up with the bloody nose! So if after the 31st March any club who has not signed, no C.C. Their choice will be open shows, or start their own system of shows. This will not be difficult to set up, David Payne has already highlighted a system. I don't think any decisions should be made till after all clubs have sent a reply and we get a response from the K.C. We as a group need to decide, do we stay with the K.C. or do we go! Once we do that we can get on with the nuts and bolts of it. The outcome of the replies from each club might surprise everyone. And this thread like the rest, will have been another waste of time. Bill Owen

The problem here is much the same as it has always been, very few seem able to make a decision and then stick to it.
Thats why the KC find it so very easy to divide and conquer us. Peterlee whoever you are, perhaps you have an interest in KC affairs, I dont know, but much like my Shepherds I have the balls to make a stand, now all that remains is to see just  how many others do too.
Due to the apparent fact that this POSITIVE thread now appears to be heading down the same negative avenue as most others on this database do, this will probably be my last contribution to it. Needless to say , the fighting fund does exist and plans are already well in place to continue its existance with hopefully access to Paypal to be in the offing soon.
When I am being bullied I am not inclined to lay down and accept it, I tend to fight back. If that means I need to try every
avenue to prevent it, I will. It is not just I but most of us who of the opinion that the KC are using Bully Boy tactics here, they are infact trying to bully all of us into submission by signing away what should be our democratic right to choos in Item9 of their recent Undertaking. Sign it and you sign away the right to hold the type of events we need to hold to further our breed, with regard to Health issues in the UK. Why should we be held to ransome to either be allowed to issue CC's out to dogs at KC licenced shows that do not require health checks or run our alternative events under WUSV rules on the basis of the British Sieger? Do YOU Peterlee or anybody else truly and realistically believe the KC are acting in a reasonable or responsible way in their latest initiative (or should that read) ULTIMATUM !!??!!  Hobsons choice is not a position I particulary like being put in, dont know about the rest of you but I would prefer to have my cake and eat it. I would like to run KC shows with CC;s and no double handling and at the same time run WUSV events where we create our own rules as was set down in Dave Paynes earlier intiative last November.
 
JUST CAKE OR THE POSSIBILITY OF EATING IT TOO, YOU DECIDE.!!!  Mine's already made !.

Regards    Sue B

Thanks to others who have given financial pledges .
 
£950   Pledged so far with further pledges of

£100    David Payne
£100    i.e £50 each from Kerry Ayling and Phillip Prince
£  50    Willowdale - Jean and Jackie Duff
£  50    Linda and Keith Baclay-Williamson 
£  50    Paul Rattigan
£  50    Geoff Barlow
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£1,350   
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Whatever happens any show run under the KC rules for the foreseeable future will be NO FUN!  We will be constantly harrassed by stewards if we as much as sneeze. The organising committee will be on a hiding to nothing as ANYTHING can be construed as double handling if you wish to interpret it that way.  I certainly do not want to show our dogs in an atmosphere of suspicion, dislike and distrust.  Therefore the only way to have a show scene that even remotely gives us satisfaction is one held under WUSV rules. 

Alyson R, I am with you – ‘only way to have a show scene that even remotely gives us satisfaction is one held under WUSV rules.’

Sue B. Please, no-one is being negative. The KC is wrong. Everyone on this board knows it. But is it sensible to seek a judicial review of their decision? What is the point? Has any lawyer explained to you (1) the cost of such proceedings (a very, very costly action in the High Court), (2) what the prospects of success are (it seems to me as a lawyer myself that although the KC may have been unfair in singling out this breed you will find that they are entitled to set conditions for the award of a title in their gift) and (3) what is to be gained by it? As has been pointed out, they are a private club. If they want to set conditions for granting those CCs which they award that is their right. But the GSD community does not have to accept their conditions, their shows or their CCs. After all, who gives a stuff about the KC? The British Sieger Show has blazed the trail. The money can be put to better use – see Carol, Alyson R et al.

David Terry

sue ,i am still in favour of your proposal in respect of obtaining legal advice and i give you full permission to use my pledge for this.in my opinion we should obtain legal advice before deciding which path we should follow.only after this should we attempt to put our feelings into print,petitions or demonstrations as we may find ourselves out on a limb with no where to go.Alyson




SHOWS WILLBE NO FUN WITHOUT DOUBLING HANDLING.shows are wot yu make of them.personally i dont like to D.H.my bitch as it makes her too fidgity.she performs much better when she is not D.H.,but all to their own.WE MUST ALL STICK TOGETHER AND PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTHS ARE..lest look at this years shows.all bar 4 general champ shows have judges who have put up german type animals for the ccs.3 shows have judges who prefer the alsatianists.ie WPBW.,BORDER UNION AND CITY OF B,HAM.1 has middle of road judge ie EE..LETS SHOW THE REST OF THE SHOWING FRATERNITY THAT THE GERMAN SIDE CAN DO WITHOUT THE D.H.what has the league and the breed council decided with regards to the press release.i would have thought that maybe the BC.was going to have an emergency meeting to discuss it and is it true that BAGSD has withdrawn from the partnership as i read somewhere either on a PDB.thread or facebook.can someone confirm please.Carole Spelman.

Sue, No one can ever deny you're determination, and willingness to fight you're corner, don't allow yourself to get upset by something, or someone you have no control over. You say that the K.C. are not acting in a reasonable or responsible way in their latest ultimatum. Sue, they probably think they are, and remember it's their bat and ball! and their game. We would all like our cake, and be able to eat it, but life isn't like that. No matter what size stick we wave at the K.C. they will always have one bigger. It's important to see what response there is from the clubs, and if the majority say No to the K.C. letter, then it would be reasonable and responsible to formulate a system in line with the wusv. This would be a project I'm sure you would love to be involved in, where you're input would be valued, and we would have control of the destiny of the shepherd in this country. Alyson is right, maybe the alternative would be too terrible for us to contemplate, if you think shows are not worth going to now! what's it likely to be under the K.C. impossed conditions. LET'S STOP FLOGGIN A DEAD HORSE.regards, Bill Owen.

Just as a matter of interest why does anyone give a tinker’s cuss about CCs awarded by an organisation which persists in referring to ‘German Shepherd Dogs (Alsatian)’ and which judges according to a breed standard which is not the international FCI standard for the breed? To say nothing about no health tests required for ‘Champions’ etc etc

David Terry

Familiarity?  I don't know for sure, but why shouldn't we be able to have the best of both?  The title of Champion could and should mean something more than it presently does.  I have much respect for many of our judges who judge to the correct standard, but not the KC.