Panda Shepherd(what do you think?)

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by Sunsilver on 28 July 2009 - 13:07

The best known Panda, Frankie, has actually had genetic testing done, and they've pinpointed exactly which chromosome has the mutiation which caused the panda markings.

Oh my, Rik's mind is made up. Let's not confuse him with the FACTS!!

Panda genetic information:

http://www.pandashepherds.com/genetic_panda_info

Personally, I don't believe they should have used this dog to start a new breed, either Rik. But it IS a GSD, and has every right to be discussed here. And I have a university degree in biology, so I find this sort of thing very interesting, even if it bothers me to see the breeder using these animals as cash cows.

I also believe pandas have appeared before in the GSD, but the owners have kept mum about it, and either culled them or neutered them and sold them as pets.

by PatriotAmanda on 28 July 2009 - 13:07

WOW..... it is an interesting looking dog, hard to say what may be in the mix. Some people, whether gsd enthusiasts or not, have wanted to start over with the gsd or make a dog with similar traits to the gsd but maybe without all of the health issues. I have no problem with the upcoming of any new breed especially if it is breed to work. I do not know much about them but it looks to me like the herding type. Maybe the gsd fans are taking things to personal because shepherd is in there..... dutch shepherd, belgian shepherd, "panda" shepherd.... it's just the type of dog it is does not mean it is suppose to similate a gsd or even be judged by the typical gsd breed standard. If that is what they are doing than I would consider that very wrong because it is clear that those colors and structure are a fault to the breed. However if they are trying to maybe make a bigger stronger border collie type or something than I would imagine one must try and pat someone on the back for possibly diminishing some of the inherited genetic issues by adding a new gene pool. Again I have never even heard of this until now let alone seen a picture but I think it is important for people to give things a try. Don't see it as this dog is taking the place of a gsd cause maybe that is not the case. If it truly is something that derived strictly from a genetic issue in a gsd breeding than these people are morons! I would really love for someone to find out exactly where they come from based on facts to better determine how the gsd and working dog population should feel about this. Just my opinions here. :)

by Rik on 28 July 2009 - 15:07

Oh my, Rik's mind is made up. Let's not confuse him with the FACTS!!

You are very correct. Rik's mind is made up.

It is made up to come here to a GSD forum and read of the GSD.

It is made up to read of W/L, S/L, even Am. S/L. (waste of time, but I read)

Rik's mind is made up to hear from people from the world who love the GSD.

Maybe I want a w/l from Belgium, guess what, I meet someone here who can help me.

Maybe I want a s/l or a w/l from the U.S. Guess what, also people here to help me.

Maybe I wonder about my pup's pedigree, so much knowledge here that I get confused after the 3rd. generation from the reply I receive.

All this information, I must get from a private e-mail.

It could be available to everyone here. But these people with this knowledge do not share here. Not because they are stingy with this knowledge. Not because they do not wish to talk the GSD, which they obviously love.

But because they are under constant attack and harassment from very stupid people every time they show up and offer advice, experience, anything on the GSD.

So SS, Rik's mind is made up and I call you a stupid sow.

You think Shiloh is a real breed. O.K. by me, but not on a GSD forum.

You think GSD is born with a white face, O.K. by me, just not on a GSD forum.

Take this incredible ignorance somewhere else that does not say GERMAN SHEPHERD and at least allow people from all over the world to share the GSD without your constant harassment.

by Sunsilver on 28 July 2009 - 15:07

Rik, the only one doing any attacking and harrassing here is YOU!

Piss off, and leave me alone!

I have no use for foul-mouthed drunks!

And please show me where I have EVER posted anything on THIS section of the board that was not about GSD's, unless to just mention another breed in passing!

I don't think I've ever even started a thread here (in the GSD forum), and certainly not an OT thread!

by Rik on 28 July 2009 - 17:07

Yea, it's 12 pm and I'm drunk. Already finished tracking, some obedience, dogs are fed and crated. Is that the best shot you can take.

I agree you never start a thread. You just crap all over good threads started by others.

Sorry, I do not piss off. I do not leave you alone as long as your constant harassment of knowledgeable GSD people cause them to stop posting.

Best to you, the panda, the shiloh,

Rik

by Bob McKown on 28 July 2009 - 17:07

WOW wheres the love at man!!!

Sunsilver, I still love you :)

by Jean Duff on 28 July 2009 - 17:07

Quite simply this is not a German Shepherd Dog and should not be on this forum which is for GSDs only. As far as I can see it is a mongrel - a dog of mixed breed - certainly in time with enough devotees it may become an established breed. But how are some being shown already (the lady getting a rosette with one) as it takes years to establish a new breed. Is this mix only peculiar to the States!! It is called a Panda Shepherd, just as we have a Belgium Shepherd and other shepherd breeds it does not belong on or amongst the GSDs discussion forums.

by Sunsilver on 28 July 2009 - 17:07

ROTFLMAO!!

Jean, you are totally WRONG!! See this thread, about a panda pup that was recently born in Australia!

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/bulletins_read/294148.html

At least this person did the right thing: found a good pet home that would spay her when she's old enough.

The pup has been sold on a limited register & we understand that the new owners will be posting pics soon.
It's interesting to read the comments on the forum.
The pedigree is excellent quality German on both sides & she was the odd one out in a litter of six.
What do you do with a healthy puppy that doesn't conform to the colour code that is seen as acceptable?
I originally thought that she should be put down but I'm very glad my wife said no.
She is in a new home with a family that love her & isn't that one good reason why dogs are here.
It's also interesting to note that the stud dog owners were not prepared to DNA their stud dog & really no one on the GSD State or National body really wants to know anything about her. I find this most disappointing as I would have thought some genetic testing would have been worthwhile.

by steve1 on 28 July 2009 - 20:07

Nothing wrong with Sunsilver, She is a very nice Girl, helpful and kind has done me a lot of favours posting Pic.s on here for me, even made them look better that must take up time, No she is ACE to my way of thinking
Steve

by Uber Land on 28 July 2009 - 20:07

Rik is just an asshole.
this board used to be able to discuss anything, whether it was about different lines, or the "off" colors. but now that RIK has decided that this is a "Serious" gsd forum, then all these subjects are taboo and should not be discussed here.

Why shouldn't the panda color be discussed here? It is a genetic anomaly that so happened to pop up in a gsd litter. the sire to the first panda was a german w/l dog with a decent pedigree. How are we to learn about this anomaly if it can't be discussed here? you sweep it under the rug now, whats to say 5-10 years down the road we don't see another genetic anomaly pop up, even if it is a different color. I feel theres alot ot learn with the genetics of the panda shepherd. even if we use what we learn to prevent a new mutation from developing.

I don't feel the breeder should had made a different breed for them based solely on their different color. but you can not say the dogs were not german shepherds. the first one was born out of 2 reg. DNA'd parents.

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