GSD Rescue BREEDING a RESCUE Dog!!!!! - Page 6

GSD Rescue BREEDING a RESCUE Dog!!!!!
by Ramage on 21 January 2010 - 20:01

That answer about why the rescue wants papers is bogus. Why is giving a spayed/neutered dog their bloodlines/rescue status via the AKC papers to the adopter when they dog gets a CGC bogus? This dog getting a CGC down the line is very possible.

First of all, ANY dog, even a mixed breed, can get a CGC title. AKC papers are not required for your CGC. True, but why not advertise the dog as rescued with a CGC title? It is good for rescue at large.

Also, AKC will not transfer papers for a rescue. Adopters get the AKC papers if they are clear, not the rescue. The papers are worthless to a rescue as we are the pass through owners.

Based on the other odd statements by GSDLovers, aka Rae, I tend to think she is probably not telling the entire truth about why she wanted the papers. Believe whatever you like. Our record speaks for itself.

Can someone explain why a rescue would adopt out a sick dog or an un-altered dog? Is this rescue now being accused of that, because if it is it is a lie. Puppies under four months go out on a spay/neuter contract with our clinic and we follow up or our contract gives us the right to reclaim the puppy. We have no one on our area that will alter a puppy until between four to six months. I thought a good rescue organization was supposed to keep the dog until it is back to health and altered. This rescue does not release sick dogs or unaltered animals. We do orthopedic surgery that requires follow ups, but that is the adopter's choice to wait until the dog is completely released or to take the dog back to our vet for the check up.  Sounds like a few dogs adopted out by this particular organization where still sick and un-altered when adopted out? This is a blatant lie. Tell me of one animal that left us sick or unaltered? We do provide the meds to our clients when our vet recommends the slow kill method for heartworm disease. Is this what you are talking about? Heartworm disease?  I do not understand this. The rescues I have known in the past would never adopt a dog out until it was back in good health and had been altered. Then again, maybe things are different now. I really am curious, is this a common practice among rescues these days? Why don't you come volunteer, meet the dogs, see the records and decide for yourself.

Drako is one of our puppies. He was not ill when he left rescue. He was on RAW diet as many of our dogs and all puppies are feed RAW Diet and thrive on it. It's lots of work and makes wonderful healthy dogs and puppies. Drako did not do well when his adopter changed him to kibble. It is my understanding she tried several different kibble brands before her vet recommended she put Drako back on RAW diet. He is again thriving.A letter from a vet to this rescue stating it is in the best long-term health of the dog not to be altered at four months or until vet approval is given gives the adopter time to resolve the issue. It is clearly understood that the dog is to be controlled at all times and must be spayed/enutered at our expense as soon as the vet gives the approval. If this the puppy you were talking about leaving the rescue ill, then please stop the verbiage as it is false. Ask the adopter, the puppy and his litter mates were all given clean bills of health by the vet before adoption.

HAS THE ORIGINAL DOG BEEN SPAYED????? WHERE IS THE PROOF?????

MorganHorses, I will tell you the exact same thing I told Beth Rood. I have nothing to prove to you, Beth, or this forum. The record of this rescue is wide open. You want proof of Maggie Mae's spay then put up the money this rescue has put out and will continue to put out for her care. I owe you nothing and I owe Beth Rood less than nothing. Maggie's adopters will be shown her AKC papers, told it is impossible for them to be transferred and like Hunter basically Maggie's papers are worthless since she is a backyard bred dog as there is no OFAing history in what I could find on this dog. But they do carry the name of the person breeding her and the names of the two people that dumped her. That information we share.

I would like to take a moment to thank those that were open-minded when first hearing about this situation and not knowing the truth. Thank you. 

To those that think this rescue owes them anything, get a clue. You are owed nothing. I do suggest MorganHorses destroy her birth certificate and start living without a health history from any relatives. That is what you expect a rescue dog to do and sadly, all too often that is the truth. MorganHorses, you are and have been rude, you know nothing of this rescue or its good works. I grow weary of your silliness. I will not be proving anything to you or your friends without Maggie's bills being paid. We have them all. Maggie Mae came to this rescue with no medicals and no donation.

Since I do not intend to revisit this site as it is not worth my time and energy I would like to leave one thought for all of you to chew on and just possibly join together for the protection of German Shepherd Dogs everywhere. AKC is not an organization for which I have respect, mainly because it allowed membership to a puppy mill owner. Also, I am from the school of thought that the topline of the American German Shepherd Dog has been destroyed, hindering the dog from doing what it was created to do. (Yes, I know there are two sides to every issue and I am not seeking to offend anyone other than MorganHorses) The AKC could help the German Shepherd Dog by not allowing registration of any dog or litter than does not have a passing OFA certificate on hips and elbows. (Yes, I am aware excellent rated dogs can produce dysplastic dogs) But, we have to start somewhere. This rescue has paid for way too many FHOs to help get dogs out of pain. If the AKC is serious about caring about the quality of German Shepherd Dog in this country step up and be counted in lessening the suffering of rescue dogs. Also, for every person that creates a litter of German Shepherd Dogs take responsibility for those animals for their entire lives. Rescues like this one would be out of business. No one ever bothered to ask, but I will say every one of my four personal dogs is spayed/neutered. Did I wait with my big male until he reached maturity, his chest broadened and dropped and he has extensive training. YES He was never allowed off leash when not in a fenced area as to not add to the over-population problem.

Again, to those that gave this rescue the benefit of the doubt, please know you have my gratitude, your kindness was not misplaced. Our records and hearts are clear.

MorganHorses, when can I expect payment for all of Maggie Mae's medicals? You are then welcome to any documents you are seeking. That money can then be used for the heartworm treatment of the four dogs currently here awaiting completion of Doxy so they can get their Immiticide treatment. Don't bother to answer as I will not be back to this site. 

The record of this rescue is wide open.

So WHERE ARE THE RECORDS of MAGGIE MAE's SPAY??????????? Could it be she has NOT been spayed??

Get real! You are the Childish one here! I have never been rude! Just stated facts!

RESCUE DOGS CAN NOT BE REGISTERED


Thank you for contacting the American Kennel Club (AKC(r)). The dog in
question is not eligible for registration. AKC papers are not
transferable on dogs that are obtained from a shelter or rescue
organization. AKC Procedures for Registration Matters states in Chapter
1 Section D:

"Dogs Acquired From Humane Society or Similar Organization: The American
Kennel Club does not provide registration service for dogs acquired from
Protective Leagues, Humane Societies or similar organizations.

Also, when a dog is turned over to a Humane Society or similar
organization, it should be understood that AKC papers will not be
transferred."

Note: If you have a purebred dog that cannot be registered with the
American Kennel Club (AKC(r)) and you are interested in participating in
AKC events, you may want to consider enrolling your dog in our Purebred
Alternative Listing program (PAL/ILP). You can find out more about the
PAL/ILP and the requirements for enrollment at
http://www.akc.org/reg/ilpex.cfm.

GSDLovers, you may not owe us f#ck-all, but I find your defensive and hostile attitude repellent and highly suspicious. You could have rather easily charmed us into believing you, but you didn't. I get all kinds of red flags when reading your posts, and would never recommend your rescue to any shelter or adopter.

ps. I've known rescues who sent dogs out with AKC papers. Very sleazy practice. You should have asked merely for a PHOTOCOPY of the papers, not the real ones.

This is Ramage.

Original statement: That answer about why the rescue wants papers is bogus.

GSDlovers response: Why is giving a spayed/neutered dog their bloodlines/rescue status via the AKC papers to the adopter when they dog gets a CGC bogus? This dog getting a CGC down the line is very possible.

MY RESPONSE: I never said getting a CGC was bogus. I said needing AKC papers to do so is bogus. EVEN A MUTT CAN GET A CGC. THEY DO NOT NEED AKC PAPERS TO GET ONE.

On top of that, AKC will not register a dog from rescue. How, being a rescue, do you not know this?

Original statement: First of all, ANY dog, even a mixed breed, can get a CGC title. AKC papers are not required for your CGC.

GSDlovers response: True, but why not advertise the dog as rescued with a CGC title? It is good for rescue at large.

MY RESPONSE: I am so confused at this point as to how you have not comprehended the fact that a dog does not need AKC papers to get a CGC. That is GREAT if you want to get CGC titles on your rescues. However, they do not need AKC papers to do it. You can still get a CGC and "advertise" them as having a CGC and all of this can be done WITHOUT registration papers.

Original statement: Also, AKC will not transfer papers for a rescue.
 
GSDlovers response: Adopters get the AKC papers if they are clear, not the rescue. The papers are worthless to a rescue as we are the pass through owners.

MY RESPONSE: one again you are wrong. I think you need to call AKC and ask about their policy. ANY dog who goes into rescue is no longer valid to be registered with AKC. Why not read MorganHorse's post that states the AKC policy in it. It will explain why your thinking is incorrect. The only way an adopter can transfer/register a rescued dog is to LIE to AKC and not admit the dog is a rescue. I think any rescue that encourages this is dishonest.


As to GSDlovers asking me to stop mentioning an ill dog. I am confused. The original person to mention an ill dog was ONE OF YOUR ADOPTERS. She posted on here and said her dog that she ADOPTED from you was ill. So, if you want to close someone's mouth and get tight lipped, you need to go to the source, your adopter, and ask her to stop mentioning her "ill dog".

I've worked for years with an outstanding rescue. Never has the rescue ever asked the SO for any papers other than a record of their health.

It's a very suspicious request at best. I would contact the largest rescue in that state and talk with them about this demand.

Most large respectable and responsible rescues have executive boards that work with other rescues to insure there is no improprity going on.

There can be the ugly underbelly of a rescue...highly bred lines in a rescue animal who is not neutered can be a side deal with a person who does unreputable breeding.
It happens and that is why when my GSD puppy, at 5 months, was going to be turned into a pound local by the SO along with her papers, I felt she might be bred to death by someone with those papers.

AKC papers should mean absolutely nothing to that rescue. The rescue's job is to evaluate that canine and rehab it if possible and find a suitable home. nothing else.

Just making the request from the SO should be a huge red flag as to their worthiness as a rescue if for no other reason than their reputation.

My name is Bobbie and my next posting will be to Midwest Animal Rescue (Services) here in Minnesota, asking them to read this thread.

MARS is very active with GSD issues. Their latest communtiy outreach program has been to offer all small and large communities in Minnesota, to bring in their K-9's to be chipped because of a tragic accident that happened to a K-9 that got loose w/out tags. A small HS out of the area received this K-9. He failed the Hand/Food test and was killed. The community wept. If anyone would like to contribute to this effort, thank you. It might be worth it to check and see if all of your K-9's in your communities have been chipped. I was floored that our's here, were not.

The Prozac dog story...sadly, many dogs find themselves in rescue because there is severe abuse in the background.
After all means are explored and good medical input and followup....Prozac can be beneficial in some cases. Prozac can give that poor canine some peace of mind and a sense of well-being, enough to faciliate the process of changing those behaviors.
It's not for every canine nor for a casual foster person to deal with. I've watched a transformation take place in my home with a "lost cause" and Prozac was part of his rehab.

 Figuring I am going to get hurt here but here goes - 

No reputable rescue that I know would ever consider breeding - that is just a fact - there are more purebred GSD's in shelters now than rescue has any hope of helping BUT just in my opinion as a new person on this board - 

breeders need to take more into account when they sell their puppies.   I have seen top line working class dogs going into homes as pet quality dogs - most of these, in my experience,  are very driven, stubborn, extremely intelligent dogs that don't make the best family pet and then they end up in shelters because of it and through no fault of their own.   People don't understand what they are getting and it is always the dogs that pay with their lives.

I have read enough posts to know the bashing is about to begin but I have learned a lot from reading this forum and will continue to educate myself here.

OK - Go for it!