Look at these hips - Page 59

Chrissy I'm sorry to hear all your troubles with Kaiser. Thank God you we're around to take him in & love him despite all his health issues. Kaiser would have a very short life if it wasn't for you most likely. I've had 2 dogs hip replacements done on a young puppy & a 10 year old dog. Both recovered with great success. We even had a SAR dog on our team that worked for many years after her dog had both hips replaced. I'm sure Kaiser's out look after all this will be good as well. I hope his elbows are normal both you guys need the break.

It's a shame you had to go through so much BS to get your refund. I've purchased dogs from them as well & understand what it's like to deal with them when issues arise.

"Genetically its like breeding brother to sister together

I don't see any brother-sister breeding at all.  How did you arrive at that conclusion ?"



When you look at this pedigree of the pup you will see so many similarities on both sire and dam side specially if you take out Arys on the sires side and Norbo on the dams side, But you have to continue to follow the pedigree back more than 5 generations to see what I'm trying to tell you. With all the heavy line breeding in this pedigree makes it like you were genetically breeding brother and sister. If you are looking for brother and sister you just won't find it.

Like I said it's like Genetically breeding brother and sister, you must understand some of the genetics of this breeding before you will totally understand what I'm saying

Cphudson not another  best available replacement warranty on the world AND WE ALWAYS HONOR IT.

You speak a lot of good common sense Blitzen.

Bee I agree, that isn't pet quality, that is just plain poor quality and the POOR dog pays the price for someones breeding practices.

LOL joanro, yup.
Aakay, we are all adults and can communicate how we see fit.  If it is against the TOS, then the moderators will handle it.  Do you not have chilidren you can preach to?


Regarding that thread on Han's board, let me get one thing straight.  NO ONE IS JEALOUS of Hans!  Only an idiot (which someone so nicely called those of us who care), would think that!

Come on, what the heck is there to be jealous of?!
  Gee, let me think,   hmmm, noo, I have never produced a dog with bad hips and a severe over bite, nor have I ever sold it to someone without telling them about it.
I have also never had a brother /sister breed and sold a pup without telling the buyer their pup was inbred.     I've never sold a pup that was sick, never sold the wrong pup, and have never been accused of being a dishonest breeder. 
Are these the things we are supposed to be jealous of?   Get a grip puhleeze. 


* Chrissy, praying for a good outcome today.

aakay,
It is totally within your rights to believe that Hans/Alpine K9 and/or Jiri/Jinopo Kennel simply made a "misstake" when sending the puppy, go ahead and believe it.
I would believe it if YOU shipped that puppy, as it's obvious you are a novice, and there is nothing wrong with that. But when one makes a "misstake" at the expense of someone else (especially such a substantial expense both emotionally and financially), it is up to the one that committed the "misstake" to make things right immediately.

You are free to believe what you want, just as those of us who disagree with you are free to do so. People can read between the lines and make their own decisions, and it has nothing to do with "jealousy", it has everything to do with being a rational and logical individual.

My SO and I will continue to forwarn anyone on ANY board that we belong to about the risks and potential problems involved in dealing with either Alpine K9 or Jinopo.
We HAVE seen enough of their "products" to form an opinion that they will sell what they can to who they can. In other words, they are less apt to screw you if you have some knowledge than if you are wet behind the ears.

Eventually more and more people will come forward. I could name names and link to pedigrees of dogs that they sold dog friends that are just plain problematic dogs, at least 6 off the top of my head, but I will NOT do that, that is up to the owners of the dogs. Most are just too embarassed to admit they were "had".

I have littermate sister to the two dogs that ended up with producing pups from brother sister mating. In a phone conversation with owner he mentioned the female he has was a "horrific mother". I was shocked that he had already produced a litter from my female's littermate since they weren't even two years old yet. I had obviously not seen the thread here pertaining to the fiasco. When I asked how old she was when the litter was born, he clammed up tight on the subject. Whatever the circumstances for "accident" to occur, Sure doesn't look like anything to be jealous of.

Looks like Prager has another  best available replacement warranty on the world AND WE ALWAYS HONOR IT. problem
http://www.alpinek9forums.com/not-all-people-are-hate-mongers-t808.html

Did anyone see Heiko's post before it was deleted?

What I have seen from Alpine K-9 is nothing short of ripping off the public.  Regardless whether or not he had an accidental breeding with littermate, he still showed underhanded practices by not letting the effected parties know exactly what was going on with this litter.  I have seen in the past that rather than dealing with the complaint he would rather sit back and hope that one tires out and gives up. The reason most of the time you don't hear about what he has done is due to one time clients that give up the chase of getting their replacement. This is the type of practices this man does on a daily basis.  And for him to get pissed at another person due to spending time on the phone with him and figuring out that he could cut out the middle man with his purchase. I clap my hand with joy to him for what he did as he probably saved at the least 3,000 dollars from what he spent going thru the breeder than letting Hans import it for him

I spend endless hours sometimes with clients and sometimes they go else where for their dog and this is just fine with me. I'm not the type of breeder that shoves a pup at a client as I would rather it be that perfect fit and if I have my pups for a bit longer than that is ok too. But the most important practice I make here is that I'm there for my clients way after they have left with their pup and many times I went out of the box for my clients as I feel pending the situation these things need to be done. I would have never sent this pup out to Chrissy nor anyone else. I would have caught this right away only cause I spend so much time with our pups. Well on the hip issue, do I blame Jiri for that?  It happens to the best of us and some more than others. I just thought with his back ground that he would have known the risks just by looking at the pedigree and past experiences

I bet ole Hans is worried about his seminar in February and how many will show up from here. Here is the chance to catch both Jiri and Hans in one place for 2 days...lol

RedS: Yes, I did. I wish he would reprint it here. He mentioned the poor handling of Chrissy's overbite discovery and the subsequent timeline of events, have caused him to change his opinion of Alpine K9 to the point they would not feel comfortable recommending them to others.

Something along those lines, I believe. Maybe Heiko will repost what he wrote here, for comparison?