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by GSDPACK on 08 January 2011 - 23:01
I have an opinion also and I rather stick with this that to talk to someone privately, or go to a seminar. HUH?
Anyway EVERY dog is born with certain abilities, you can only guess how good these abilities are if you dont get your butt out there and test them. I had a complete dornoob once who could pick one tenisball out of 20 based on a scent. This dog would not follow any track to save my life, no brain synapses there. So to me a good tracking dog is a dog that has FH2.
it is easy to talk about somethng you have absolutelly no idea, knowledge or even probably seen a dog do it..
The rest is just kinda sort of, opinions based on someone's kinda sort of knowing some stuff about something sort of called scent.
The best dog in the world is probably in someone elses back yard acting like a moron digging holes.. the thing is, we will never know becasue the owner was too opiniated to look father than his/her own ass...
Good luck I am kinda sort of done debating dog's ability to do anything with people who have no clue what kind of dog it takes to get somewhere.
See ya on the tracking fields people!
by darylehret on 09 January 2011 - 00:01
The question was...
"So you are saying that Schutzhund FH tracking is an accurate measure of a dog's scenting ability?"
...and my answer is still NO, not in my opinion.
And because Jim just HAD to know why I have a low opinion of sport tracking, you've concluded that I'm "too opiniated to look further than my own ass". I've already stated that I know it's hard work, that it's a good measure of trainability, and agree that it takes a measure of concentration. BUT MEASURE OF SCENTING ABILITY? HOW?!
"So you are saying that Schutzhund FH tracking is an accurate measure of a dog's scenting ability?"
...and my answer is still NO, not in my opinion.
And because Jim just HAD to know why I have a low opinion of sport tracking, you've concluded that I'm "too opiniated to look further than my own ass". I've already stated that I know it's hard work, that it's a good measure of trainability, and agree that it takes a measure of concentration. BUT MEASURE OF SCENTING ABILITY? HOW?!
by GSDPACK on 09 January 2011 - 00:01
Daryl.. I give up.. you wanna know? I trial in Bozeman come and see how! I am done explaining anything. Come and see, take a look. Or better come train with us! Take your dog we will do some tracking...real tracking and see how your dog can succeed in the real world since the sport world doesnt interrest you.
You need to see to understand, you need to be able to read a dog, watch a dog closely to know what I am talking about I will even have you handle a dog so you can feel the leash on a dog that uses his nose in the way you cant understand.. untill you know what you're doing..it is quiet fascinatng.. u r missing on a lot of fun, training and hands on experience by being so close minded.. This is not being rude.. i dont do rude...
Geez it needs to warm up a little I sit here way too much!
When you are ready to do instead of talk, shoot me a PM, I am not that far from you, we can make it a weekend, till then I am done discussing this!
You need to see to understand, you need to be able to read a dog, watch a dog closely to know what I am talking about I will even have you handle a dog so you can feel the leash on a dog that uses his nose in the way you cant understand.. untill you know what you're doing..it is quiet fascinatng.. u r missing on a lot of fun, training and hands on experience by being so close minded.. This is not being rude.. i dont do rude...
Geez it needs to warm up a little I sit here way too much!
When you are ready to do instead of talk, shoot me a PM, I am not that far from you, we can make it a weekend, till then I am done discussing this!
by darylehret on 09 January 2011 - 01:01
I'd love an opportunity to train with you. But being that my only days off are Sundays, Boise would be a long one day round trip from here. Something to keep in mind for later, if the offer still stands at the time.
by SportySchGuy on 09 January 2011 - 01:01
They are simple yes or no questions actually. My answers are no and no. I never said it wasnt hard or challenging.
by nanu on 09 January 2011 - 01:01
well, everyone is entitled to their point of view. When discussing genetics on what makes a great dog with respect to inherited traits, scent discrimination ability is one, if that is what you are looking for.
So why are some dog breeds better than others even though they all have better scent ability than us?
Look at the nasal capacities with nerve and scent discrimination ability on the bloodhound. This animal is one peg down from the polar bear. German shepherds are a few notches below that.
Oh well, so much for this conversation. I think I'll go watch my Jack Russel terriers go dig up some rodents. Oh, that's scent discrimination isn't it?
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
So why are some dog breeds better than others even though they all have better scent ability than us?
Look at the nasal capacities with nerve and scent discrimination ability on the bloodhound. This animal is one peg down from the polar bear. German shepherds are a few notches below that.
Oh well, so much for this conversation. I think I'll go watch my Jack Russel terriers go dig up some rodents. Oh, that's scent discrimination isn't it?
Nancy Rhynard
www.westwoodkennels.com
by Jeff Oehlsen on 09 January 2011 - 01:01
Quote: So why are some dog breeds better than others even though they all have better scent ability than us?
Willingness. Same reason that Mastiffs do not rule the bite work world, they simply are not willing. I am not talking some nerve bag either. Willingness is what rules the day. Any dog can smell and track. Whether they are willing or not is the difference.
Willingness. Same reason that Mastiffs do not rule the bite work world, they simply are not willing. I am not talking some nerve bag either. Willingness is what rules the day. Any dog can smell and track. Whether they are willing or not is the difference.
by darylehret on 09 January 2011 - 02:01
"Willingness is what rules the day."
THAT's what I believe.
THAT's what I believe.
by SportySchGuy on 09 January 2011 - 02:01
So working line best new stud....LOL
N.E.D. ! Not Enough Data!
So willingness....right??? So would you say willingness is akin to biddability?
What is the ultimate test of willingness?
by darylehret on 09 January 2011 - 02:01
What is the ultimate test of willingness?
An asshole for a handler. What do you think? You're stirring up too much trouble, let's hear your opinion. YES or NO do not apply.
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