Look at these hips - Page 57

 Physically LIKE  breeding a sister brother ..

duh
 I did not say they were sister /.brother

same out come when you breed that close   

puppies' mother is the neice of his grandfather

It would be like me having SEX with my uncle and having his baby??????????
What a mess that would be...

Like being your own Grandpa!!

a song from the 60's>?

YR

Recently, I and Jiri were objects of attacks on PDB
http://www.alpinek9forums.com/not-all-people-are-hate-mongers-t808.html

What he failed to mention is after the handshake he only had 4 fingers left 

Poor Hans you feels he is the Victim here. And an attempt to bring him and Jiri down


"HIP DYSPLASIA:Thanks to our thorough research, ALPINEK9 produces best available hips and elbows percentages together with superb temperament!!! Ask us! Prager Hans 

Chrissy, we just wanted to wish you and Kaiser all the best for his elbow xrays today!

Linebreeding and inbreeding CAUSES nothing, it brings the faults to the surface along with the desirable traits. That's where selective breeding comes in. A breeder should never linebreed or inbreed unless he or she is willing to judicously cull the litter and make sure the lesser quality dogs are never bred.  Saying it's all about breeding too closely is a gross oversimplification and not the REASON this puppy has severe HD. If it were true, all a breeder would need to do is to outcross generation after generation of normal hips and bingo, there'd be no more HD. How's that worked for the breed so far? I could post a pedigree here that gave me 2 severe cases of HD without one common ancestor in 5 generations and 3, 4 generations of OFA normal dogs.

We don't even know why some dogs in the same litter express HD while others have normal hip conformation. Most experts agree that is more telling to look to the production history of the sire and the dam,  and the hips status of the siblings when trying to avoid HD.  That's the reasoning behind the ZW ratings, right? Personally, if I had a dog from this litter I would never breed it even if it had a scissors bite and excellent hips and elbows. There is obviously no shortage of Czech dogs, so no need to use dogs from litters like this one; it's a genetic disaster. 

I'll ask again - are there requirements in the CR for DNA sire verification similar to what AKC requires? I'm not suggesting this pedigree isn't correct,  I'm just asking a question.

Linebreeding and inbreeding CAUSES nothing, it brings the faults to the surface along with the desirable traits.

 

Blitzen wrote:
"Personally, if I had a dog from this litter I would never breed it even if it had a scissors bite and excellent hips and elbows. There is obviously no shortage of Czech dogs, so no need to use dogs from litters like this one; it's a genetic disaster. "

Prolific words that apply to ANY breeding!

There will NEVER be a valid reason to use a dog if it has bad hips etc.
There is NO shortage of GSD's in this world. Or any other breed for that matter. It is up to breeders to select the most compensatory/complimentary dogs to use in breeding to maintain/improve the quality they have. Even then, they "roll the genetic dice" as to how the breeding will "click", so why start with a "defective" dog. This includes dogs that allegedly have a "bad hip due to injury etc". Fine, has a bad hip? Find a littermate or similar lines with GOOD health and a record of production of same good health!

And yes, there is more than just hips to a breeding of course, there is vitality, overall health, temperment blah blah blah, but why start off with a "hole in the bag" of ingredients?

Good post, Workingdogz. Garbage in, garbage out.........

I'll ask again - are there requirements in the CR for DNA sire verification similar to what AKC requires? I'm not suggesting this pedigree isn't correct,  I'm just asking a question.

Anything is possible with these two