Workinglines vs Showlines - Page 5

Did I say he was 'chock full of modern day SL' ? Susie remarked that his weight/size was not dif than many SL...well? He carries the genes of them.

Yeah, but these dogs are used by working line breeders almost exclusively...
I only wanted to point out, that there is the same development within both lines.
Workingline/showline dogs = a lot of them overbuilt, and the breeders use these dogs excessively in their breeding programs.
Right now it´s difficult to find an adult male weighing less than 36 kg (79,5 lb ), no matter which line.

Susie, that's because that's what sells. People breeding for working dogs aren't using them exclusively. I'm planning on using a stud currently who is only in the mid 70's. My dogs are 55 to 70 pounds females, most of them are 65 pounds. My males average 70 to 75 pounds. Very athletic with moderate angualtion, up on toes at all times and straight backs.

"Susie, that's because that's what sells" - I know....

 

Joan, you said "Look how much SL". As it was not in any way quantified,  I simply clarified. 

Susie, are you saying Bomber and Drago have too much angulation or just in general, too much angulation and too much weight is undesirable? I am assuming the latter, as I'm sure you're as aware as anyone else that dogs often look nothing like their professional stack photos when you see them in real life...

Sad, isn't it? The public is fed a bunch of hype, hype that promotes the improper dogs being produced in order to create the belief by the public that the over done gsd is desirable and representative of the ' real deal'...gag. Ever see the advertising announcing "OLD TIMEY BIG BONES !!"
I've had people call and ask if I have "BigBones"....as though that is a breed unto itself. I get to give them a little educational lecture, then tell them, No.

I will go ahead and start a concurrent war by saying I don't really give a damn what a scale says if the dog is not hindered by his body or conformation in any way from performing the job he is supposed to do. 

Jenni, as you already assumed correctly, I was talking "in general".

If someone on this board knows about the difference between pictures and reality, that´s me

Susie, that's what I thought! :)   I just asked because Bomber in person is utterly normal, by no means an over-angulated monstrosity. He's a very solidly built dog with, to me, correct, very moderate (correct) angulation. He reminded me soooo much of my Caleb, though a bit less coarse and smaller.  

Pictures can be so ridiculously deceptive. I see stunning pics of a SL dog that seems so solid, then I see a more candid pic of them and they're downright snipey, so I never go by stacked pics alone to determine what a dog looks like. Sometimes it seems the straighter dogs are the ones they force into stacks that make them look so extreme.  Now, the trend drives the photos, too, of course. 

"I will go ahead and start a concurrent war by saying I don't really give a damn what a scale says if the dog is not hindered by his body or conformation in any way from performing the job he is supposed to do."

In case you work your dogs prior to breeding in real life scenarios you´ll end up with dogs not weighing more than 75 lbs in the long run
There are heavy dogs able to do the work, but they are the exception. I´m sure you´ll end at the lower end of the scale.

Edited, because I forgot: And they will not be overangulated...