Timber-GORGEOUS sable rescue-working or show???? - Page 5

Timber may have got to be too much dog for his owners to handle.

He is easy for me....just got home and leaving in abit again...he is actually very quiet and wants to please, Mystere, he came from the Everette area...
I may have a home for him in Nevada, doing PSA competing....steph

I hate to sound like a cranky ol' lady,  but if someone came along and read threads like this one cold,
they would never have any idea that ASL stock is all based on German dogs in the first instance.
Way back before Lance and his like, before the USA Show scene started to pull the breed into just
as unatural a shape as the hinged/roached;  i.e. longer and deeper and with the ski slope and straight shoulders
and strange swan necked upright head carriage,  the GSD was the GSD.  And half the stuff about temperament
and working ability would not apply because there would not have been so many changes made.  Same in the
UK, with the 'UK Type / Alsatian'.    (OK yeah and maybe now with some International / German type dogs too ...)


Going back to Steph's post and the question of marking dogs you love and value, so you can find them if
they get lost or stolen -  I truly believe that anyone who has no good excuse for NOT putting tags &/or
tattoos &/or chips on their dog does not really deserve to get them returned to them.  Very young pups
you just aquired is one thing;  having a dog into adulthood and having put time in training them etc is a
different ball-game.  
I feel this strongly;  one of ours we got from rescue,  a handsome black&gold saddle-marked
beast, who looked as though he'd been fairly carefully bred from his overall shape, good coat etc - he's too
big, but did not look what I'd normally think of as BYB in this country - came in at about 2.5 years old.  He
seemed very unlike your usual "kicked-out 'cos no longer wanted" mutt,  and he clearly knew all his basic
commands, appeared likely to have been a kennel dog;  no collar, so no tags; no tattoo number,
and I had him under three different microchip readers, even making a special journey to try with an Avid
reader - nada.  I felt really sorry in case he'd just got loose while outside, and to think someone in distress was
searching for him.  Eventually when it was obvious no-one was coming looking for him, we gave up and kept
him, and castrated him.  Sometimes I just DESPAIR about dog owners ... 

I am always amazed at the great dogs that end up in rescue or just abandoned to fend for themselves. Some people have no souls.

Hundmutter, it's a tribute to the power of selective breeding

Great to hear about the potential home and putting the dog to it's full potential. 

Don't forget Lance was half German.

Thx, Blitzen. Just curious. She was very good friends with whoever brought Lance in...can't remember the name- that stuff is not my forte at all, and Jimmy used to handle her dogs when he was much younger. They are still friends but she was out of GSDs for a very long time. She just jumped back about 2 years ago w/a Capri grand daughter and is now wanting a Capri son. She was toying with campaigning her female, but Jimmy doesn't think it's worth it at this stage, her being not only pure German working lines, but solid black as well.  All this ASL talk just got me curious since everyone talks about Lance, Lance, Lance, and he belonged to her good friend and I know she had a good bit of success back then. 

Steph, good job and good luck to Timber!

 The USCA breeders in the Everett area, AFAIK, all tattoo and chip the pups they breed, before they go to working or pet homes.  IF he has a tattoo, let me know. IF it is a USCA tattoo, the breeder can be identified and, hopefully, also the owner.

NO TATTOO OR CHIP, so sad...he is REALLY a nice dog!!! He know some czech commands, my retired k9 is czech, so I tried it, Timber did awesome.

Jenni,  you are probably thinking of Joan Ford, Lance's breeder - he was whelped in the US out of 2 GSL's. His sire was also bred in the US back in the day when the ASL's and the GSL's were phenotypically and genotypically the same dog.