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by Chaz Reinhold on 29 April 2012 - 19:04

Rik, the cologne, sex panther, 60% of the time, it works every time. And here's a link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLq2-uZd5LY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

by duke1965 on 29 April 2012 - 19:04

blitzen , it will fly in this breed, as a matter of fact im following the same path I did before and results are pointing in the same directions already, and if I can do it , other breeders can do it too , and Im sure there are plenty more breeders that are the same when it comes to health first

you will get nowhere whit a healthy mind in a sick body

to get back on topic ,every breeder can produce a case of bad health, how they handle the case afterwards is what is of greater importance(im not referring to this case)
even if you are in it for money , satisfied customers are priceless

by Blitzen on 29 April 2012 - 19:04

I guess time will tell if the majority of GSD breeders in the US will consider inbreeding or close linebreeding. Wouldn't it be a violation of SV rules to inbreed?

by duke1965 on 29 April 2012 - 20:04

no , because the close linebreedings the SV doesnot allow are not the best way to go about so it can perfectly work within the rules , and also with outcrossing you can loose the bad genes only its a longer and less definate path , it all starts by using healthy dogs for breeding ,unfortunately many people dont think that way, I know a puppyproducer that has a female with fast normal elbows and zugelassen hips ,given to him by breeder because of week temperament, parents known to produce this , father operated on the elbows , but still breeding er because she looks so beutiful and people want her pups
but she has passing scores so it is OK

by Rik on 29 April 2012 - 21:04

@ Chaz

I'm at the stage in life where a swing and a miss is about all the excitement I need.

thanks for the laugh,

Rik

by Blitzen on 29 April 2012 - 22:04

Ginseng might help, Rik.

by magdalenasins on 30 April 2012 - 12:04

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120326112842.htm I don't know where I first heard the 75/25% thing but it was at least 7 years ago and repeated by many since.

by Keith Grossman on 30 April 2012 - 12:04

Notice that in the title of that article, the author is carefule to say that environmental factors can affect the incidence of the condition, not cause it.

"Dogs are not born with HD, but genetically disposed puppies can develop varying degrees of HD."

Repeating something often doesn't make it true.

by magdalenasins on 30 April 2012 - 12:04

Yes I got that part and nowhere did I actually say HD is caused by the environment only...

by mollyandjack on 30 April 2012 - 13:04

Keith, I feel like that's kind of missing the point though. Yes, whether or not I will get fat from eating 20 chocolate cakes a day has to do 100% with genetics. And the answer is no, I will not get fat. However, does that mean that if a child's parents feed him 20 chocolate cakes a day and he becomes morbidly obese and diabetic, that we should say hey, it's in his genes! Yes it is, but is that the point? Should we focus on his genes or the fact that his parents shouldn't have fed him a ridiculous amount of cake?

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