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I ask about his pedigree because I also have a dog from Mittelwest, just wanted to check out his pedigree and see if there are any related dogs so I could watch for AF (in the event it would be hereditary) in mine.

I'm glad I could help, NV Also has a Bison raw diet. Primal complete raw diet has all sorts of funky exotic protiens, so does Bravo :)

Let us know what the other vet says for sure!

Definite NO on Royal Canin;  and if Prince has allergies like you say I would be very careful with Natures Variety; it has flax and 2 of my 4 dogs CANNOT take flax, or any type, oil, seed, etc. etc.  That is why I chose Bravo over Natures Variety, a much cleaner formula without any flax or ground?? whatever's.  JMHO  Nan

Nan,,here is a list of the ingredients of the Orjen Prince has been on for about 6 months or so ...

INGREDIENTS

Fresh boneless chicken*, chicken meal, fresh boneless salmon*, turkey meal, herring meal, russet potato, peas, sweet potato, fresh boneless turkey*, fresh whole eggs*, fresh chicken liver*, fresh boneless lake whitefish*, fresh boneless walleye*, sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), organic kelp, pumpkin, chicory root, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, blueberries, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, d-calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, zinc proteinate, iron proteinate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, selenium yeast, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Enterococcus faecium. * DELIVERED FRESH, preservative-free and never frozen. No dry dog food on earth can match the quality, quantity and freshness of ORIJEN's fresh regional poultry, fish and meat ingredients.

Is it safe to say flax is not Princes problem as none are listed in the ingredient list above?///

That sounds like a wonderful plan...that way, even if you do see the surgeon you'll have something else to consider while assessing his opinion! 

I think the ingredients sound good; however, there are a lot of different proteins as you stated and possibly one protein source would be better for him.  But his problem did not start with this food.  You said he has had this problem for some time.  What was he eating when the problem started?

I would go back and investigate that food, what was the meat source and when did the foul smelly problem start and what was he eating?  Go from there, but I will say this; when my girl had the problem I did have to find a food that worked for her and I ended up with a single source protein of fish from Solid Gold along with homecooked chicken/vegi's; only a very small amount of kibble per day.  Sometimes it is the type of fiber, or not enough fiber and of course if there is any allergies which becomes a problem.  Best of luck with your new vet's; let us know what they have to say.  Nan

I think holistic is the way to go then you have gone through all the treatments before surgery.  Keira was treated homoeopathicly for many years. She couldn't have any of the other medications or surgery.  Only one concern about raw is that stools can become to hard then you might need to add an oil.  Kee was fine on the raw until she was around 10 then we had swapped her to Nature Diet a wet food with No nasties.  She had the AF from around 7 1/2 years old. 

I have done a little research on the last foods Prince has been on ..Here are the ingredients below..FWI while on TOTW it was at it's worst (the dirty butt) and and while on Royal Canin it was at its best. I only changed from Royal Canin because I did not care for the ingredients. However, with all foods listed below he has had a problem except Royal Canin. When I feed salmon from the can I think it might get even worse now that I am reflecting back on it...The common denomanator  looks like salmon/fish????...
 
Earthborn Primitive
Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Whitefish Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), Dried Egg Product, Tomato Pomace, Apples, Blueberries, Carrots, Peas, Spinach, Garlic, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Taurine, Cottage Cheese,TOTW Pacific Stream..

TOTW Pacific Stream
Salmon, ocean fish meal, sweet potatoes, potatoes, canola oil, salmon meal, smoked salmon, potato fiber, natural flavor, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca

Natural Balance Fish and Sweet Potato
Sweet Potatoes, Salmon, Salmon Meal, Canola Oil, Potato Fiber, Natural Flavor, Sodium Chloride, Salmon Oil (a source of DHA), Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Methionine, Choline Chloride, Natural Mixed Tocopherols,

Orjen Adult (current diet )
Fresh boneless chicken*, chicken meal, fresh boneless salmon*, turkey meal, herring meal, russet potato, peas, sweet potato, fresh boneless turkey*, fresh whole eggs*, fresh chicken liver*, fresh boneless lake whitefish*, fresh boneless walleye*, sun-cured alfalfa, pea fiber, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), organic kelp, pumpkin, chicory root, carrots, spinach, turnip greens, apples, cranberries, blueberries, licorice root, angelica root, fenugreek, marigold flowers, sweet fennel, peppermint leaf, chamomile, dandelion, summer savory, rosemary, vitamin A, vitamin D3, vitamin E, niacin, thiamine 

Royal Canin German Shepherd Puppy 30
Chicken meal, rice, oatmeal, brown rice, corn gluten meal, wheat gluten meal, chicken fat, natural chicken flavor, dried beet pulp (sugar removed), sodium silico aluminate, anchovy oil (source of EPA/DHA), dried egg product, fructo-oligosaccharides, psyllium seed husk, soya oil, potassium chloride, salt, sodium tripolyphosphate, L-lysine, taurine, dried brewers yeast extract  

Actually I know two of the dogs in your dogs pedigree had PF. Which the breeder is very aware of. Maxi vom Mittlewest and Jaguar von der Mausespitz