not right kennel?? - Page 5

an ear insert might help. It's not going to hurt to try.

I can see Wade's point.  If someone bought a puppy from me they would automatically assume it would carry the Eichenluft kennel name. (just for an example).  someone looking at a puppy from a top kennel in europe would assume the puppy would carry the top kennel's name, right?  I certainly would.  I have sold litters carrying another kennel name before - and the buyers were always told this, and the reason for it.  It never  made a difference that I could tell, but there was no "surprise surprise" when the papers came. 

If the puppy carries another kennel name - could be another top breeder/kennel and excellent bloodline - but it carries another kennel name regardless - then this should be disclosed by the seller before money is exchanged.  And if the puppy came with ANY sort of problem ie twisted ear, one testicle, umbilical hernia, curly tail, wry bite - etc - then this MUST be something the buyer is aware of before the puppy is sold and shipped!!  To fail to make these things clear to the buyer is dishonest, no matter how great the puppy is or how happy the buyer "should be" with it.

molly

I see Wade's point also,he paid for a name and he's not happy that he didn't get it. What I don't get is posting on this board in hope of getting support against the seller of the pup. Instead he got opinions from people that he wasn't happy with and resorted to name calling and profanity. Seems to me if you have a little over 4 grand in a puppy with a faulty ear, a kennel name you don't want and a pup you can't break even on, or in this case I think make money on, then it's debatable as to who don't know didly shit. If the pup is up to par "if" then 4 grand is not unreasonable for a 7 month old and there should be a market for it, if it's not then I think that Wade is confused about what he should be upset about. BTW, the term get rid of speaks volumes to me.

Silly question probably.... I don't understand at all the problem with the kennel name.  You wanted a dog with a particular kennel name? I would think (that could be my problem right there I'm thinking) that the reason you would want a particular kennel name is you like the dogs they put out. That would mean you trust their judgment when breeding, to get a particular kind of dog.  Well just because they used somebody else's bitch are you saying their reasoning is somehow less than it is if they breed to a bitch they own?? I"ve never bought a pup from Hans, I have emailed with him twice but I have seen his website.... Not a lot of dogs on it with the alpinek9 name.  It states pretty clearly that he utilizes other kennels.  How in the world do you think the kennel whose name you wanted became what they are? They picked which males to breed to which females (there's a novel idea).  Maybe you should have done your homework or been more specific when buying a pup,  I bet car dealers love to see you walk on the lot ! Would the ear be that big a deal if he had the right name???  Jenni what pound was that???

If i buy a puppy from a breeder and i ask for a Pup from specific Male then i would expect that person to be the Breeder of the Puppy and have his kennel name on the pedigree and he as the breeder and not one from another kennel just because the father of the Pup was his, UNLESS i was notified first and given the choice before the Puppy was shipped that is completely wrong thing to do.
Plus that Pup in the Video has a deformed ear no question, AND if you buy a Puppy you should not have to doctor up its ear in any way to get it to stand in the correct postition.
However i find it strange as to what was happening in the Video the Pup is far to young for that sort of stuff and will not help it in any way but that is besides the point.
Another poster says the Breeders son owns the Company which freights out the Dogs, If this is correct then that breeder should pay the costs of having the Pup returned and another Puppy shipped as replacement the costs should in this case be born by the breeder not the Buyer.
Now most of you are not on the side of the Buyer in this case but i for one see sable59 point of view and although we have not seen eye to eye once or twice before in this i do agree and i sure would not be happy at what has been said or passed I would want a replacement free of all freight charges and one bred by that kennel as would have been expected in the first instance.
Steve1 

I can see Wade's point.  If someone bought a puppy from me they would automatically assume it would carry the Eichenluft kennel name. (just for an example).  someone looking at a puppy from a top kennel in europe would assume the puppy would carry the top kennel's name, right?  I certainly would.  I have sold litters carrying another kennel name before - and the buyers were always told this, and the reason for it.  It never  made a difference that I could tell, but there was no "surprise surprise" when the papers came. 

If the puppy carries another kennel name - could be another top breeder/kennel and excellent bloodline - but it carries another kennel name regardless - then this should be disclosed by the seller before money is exchanged.  And if the puppy came with ANY sort of problem ie twisted ear, one testicle, umbilical hernia, curly tail, wry bite - etc - then this MUST be something the buyer is aware of before the puppy is sold and shipped!!  To fail to make these things clear to the buyer is dishonest, no matter how great the puppy is or how happy the buyer "should be" with it.

molly




Totally agree with Molly on this.  When you are charging that much for a pup, EVERYTHING should be disclosed!!  It should be regardless of cost, if you are HONEST, but at that price?  I'd dang well hope so. 

I'd be disappointed as heck too.

"Totally agree with Molly on this. When you are charging that much for a pup, EVERYTHING should be disclosed!! It should be irregardless, if you are HONEST, but at that price? even more so. I'd be disappointed as heck too."

no matter how much you pay-everything should be disclosed. it seems this kennel has a problem with disclosure . it is fraud to sell puppies without telling the buyer up front of all related info. let a nobody do these things and they would be done, but let a person who has done it for 30 years and somehow it is okay to breed brother/sister 11 month old pups. sometimes you people crack me up and show your true colors.

the lighting may not be the best, but if you look hard enough surely you will find brown on that nose.

Molly's point is correct....duh, everything should always be disclosed. I'm not commenting on the ear at all because I haven't seen it. I'm only commenting on the tantrum about the name which should've been obvious.  EXCEPT, in this instance, the situation is a little different. If someone buys a puppy from Molly, or a puppy from Joe Blow or a puppy from me, for example, an assumption (those are always dangerous) may be made that the puppy's name will end in Eichenluft, Blow, or Eisenherz. We are not known groups of breeders/brokers. When we sell a puppy, it typically was born at our home and out of our bitch, with rare exceptions. If I bred a male and had pups to sell for the owner of the bitch, I'd tell someone exactly what I was doing, but ONLY because I am NOT a group of breeders, like Jinopo is. If I was, I probably wouldn't think a thing of it and get him the dog he wanted temperament -wise and with the pedigree he wanted. After all, I thought those were the reasons people sought to import from big name places- because they get what they want from the DOG...not the name.

To reiterate...here's the difference; WADE BOUGHT A PUPPY FROM A KNOWN CONGLOMERATE OF BREEDERS, NOT A SINGLE BREEDER, so therefore, the assumption should not have been and he should've asked if he had a preference of names. I am all for full disclosure of every damn thing to do with puppies, but I can't disclose what I didn't even think of...like the name being an issue. I am dead serious when I say it would probably not occur to me in this situation to remember to tell him it wouldn't be Jirkova Dvora, since THE BITCH IS CLEARLY NOT OWNED by me. Anyone w/access to the website cans see Ussy is not on their list of females. That leads a reasonable person to deduce that the kennel name of the puppy with be something other than Jirkova Dvora, z Blateskeho zamku, Jipo Me, etc.

As far as money...the puppy was $1800, which is not exactly unheard of. Other charges are incidental and to be expected when one insists that he must fly a puppy in from another country because there aren't any good ones here. But now we know that's not the reason; there are good dogs here, they just don't have the right last name.

And I'm sorry, but we are clearly not dealing with a rational man here; he didn't do his due diligence, so now we're all stupid and need to get f---. Hans has offered to help, though he didn't buy the pup through Hans. What, really, would make a person like this happy? To all of you who think he's being reasonable, would YOU sell him a dog now that you see how he speaks of it and how he speaks to those whose opinion he asked for? Not me. No way, no how, not ever.

"Get rid of..."..............Michael49, exactly!

OGBS, I saw it...chose to ignore.

I agree missing, as for the brother/sister thing, that may have very well been a blooper, but it should have been made abundantly clear before the pups were sold.

Edit to add: just saw your post OGBS, and have no clue who this person is from Oklahoma

it all goes back to disclosure.  when you disclose you do not find yourself in bad situations.   please, quit kissing ass, it is very unflattering.