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by MsColeson on 14 May 2011 - 02:05
Keith,
I do understand what I'm doing as a breeder. Enya's hips were also penn hipped in the 90th percentile! I know her hips and elbows are good. She will be 2 in July and I consider Enya an excellent representation of the breed standard and she is certainly old enough to breed on her third heat.
Mary is 2 and has had her OFA prelim. good and normal. When I purchased her, Thom with Nevada Haus recommended I breed her now since she came in heat at two years old, and after careful consideration at age 2 - I found a very nice stud that compliments her ancestry and is a V rated, Sch. 3 titled, KKL1 to breed her.
That was all I was going to do until December or January, but when I purchased Isiz - she happened to be pregnant too. I did want Isiz because I believe she and Igor are outstanding representatives of the breed standard. Sometimes life puts us in circumstances beyond our control. I have my hands full and hope this never happens again.
Please don't be hard on Doug. He bought a puppy that is exactly what he was looking for in a German Shepherd and is very pleased with the dog and his working ability. We do test the pups which should mean something. It means that we care about the breed and our pups and do our very best to place them right. If we didn't care, we wouldn't go to all the trouble of testing and cost of penn hips and OFA testing. We wouldn't follow up with everyone that buys a puppy from us throughout the life of the puppy. I want you to know that we do in fact care very much and are trying to do the very best job we can do to better the breed by breeding dogs that compliment eachother's ancestors.
We are trying to title our breeding stock. That is important - I agree. We don't make money at this. At the price we get, it's just enough to further our hobby. We aren't by any means perfect and there are perhaps others out there who would be a better choice, but they sometimes charge too much for their pups.
We try to treat everyone like we would want to be treated. They do get a quality German Shepherd puppy, socialized, Vet checked, shots and de-worming and tested for the temperament they request at an affordable price.
It is breeders that charge the $2,500 to $3,000 for a puppy that are making money and they do not care or follow up at all with you. I know because I have been there. Most of the time, their health guarantees are terrible.
The OFA prelim. is comparable to an A stamp at 1 year. We go ahead and do both at 1 year and at age 2 plus penn hip on the dogs we raise. Please don't judge me or belittle Doug's dog or decision to buy a puppy from us until you know us and/or have dealt with us yourself.
Regards, Tammie
I do understand what I'm doing as a breeder. Enya's hips were also penn hipped in the 90th percentile! I know her hips and elbows are good. She will be 2 in July and I consider Enya an excellent representation of the breed standard and she is certainly old enough to breed on her third heat.
Mary is 2 and has had her OFA prelim. good and normal. When I purchased her, Thom with Nevada Haus recommended I breed her now since she came in heat at two years old, and after careful consideration at age 2 - I found a very nice stud that compliments her ancestry and is a V rated, Sch. 3 titled, KKL1 to breed her.
That was all I was going to do until December or January, but when I purchased Isiz - she happened to be pregnant too. I did want Isiz because I believe she and Igor are outstanding representatives of the breed standard. Sometimes life puts us in circumstances beyond our control. I have my hands full and hope this never happens again.
Please don't be hard on Doug. He bought a puppy that is exactly what he was looking for in a German Shepherd and is very pleased with the dog and his working ability. We do test the pups which should mean something. It means that we care about the breed and our pups and do our very best to place them right. If we didn't care, we wouldn't go to all the trouble of testing and cost of penn hips and OFA testing. We wouldn't follow up with everyone that buys a puppy from us throughout the life of the puppy. I want you to know that we do in fact care very much and are trying to do the very best job we can do to better the breed by breeding dogs that compliment eachother's ancestors.
We are trying to title our breeding stock. That is important - I agree. We don't make money at this. At the price we get, it's just enough to further our hobby. We aren't by any means perfect and there are perhaps others out there who would be a better choice, but they sometimes charge too much for their pups.
We try to treat everyone like we would want to be treated. They do get a quality German Shepherd puppy, socialized, Vet checked, shots and de-worming and tested for the temperament they request at an affordable price.
It is breeders that charge the $2,500 to $3,000 for a puppy that are making money and they do not care or follow up at all with you. I know because I have been there. Most of the time, their health guarantees are terrible.
The OFA prelim. is comparable to an A stamp at 1 year. We go ahead and do both at 1 year and at age 2 plus penn hip on the dogs we raise. Please don't judge me or belittle Doug's dog or decision to buy a puppy from us until you know us and/or have dealt with us yourself.
Regards, Tammie
by Sooner Shepherd on 14 May 2011 - 12:05
If you want to purchase from an honest breeder that is passionate about the German shepherd's she owns and raises then you will be very pleased buying a dog from Tammie. It would be difficult to pups of the quality that she sells at a price anywhere near what she is charging.
When I purchased Max I picked him up in Oklahoma (4 or 5) hours from Tammie's home. They drove him there, preferring not to fly him, and I gladly drove the 4 hours it took me to get to Oklahoma. I was greeted by a healthy well cared for puppy. I was surprised to receive a huge welcome packet of goodies, including sample food, toys, a collar, information on the breed, all of Tammie's Contact information, and very detailed medical records. My vet was shocked at how well documented the records were from Tammie and her vet. Tammie had her vet document every detail of exams. Tammie has followed up regarding Max for well over a year. She has given me feedback on how max's litter mates are doing. In short her follow up after the sale has been exemplary.
An example of Tammie's concern for the dogs she breeds can be expressed by a true story. When Max was a pup a litter mate had a retained tooth. Tammie emailed me to let me know to watch for that with Max. He had one tooth that I wasn't certain about, and I took him in to the vet. His teeth were fine, but it meant a lot to me that Tammie would take the time to let me know about a potential problem out there. How many breeders would do that? A retained tooth is not a big deal, but she could very easily have said nothing.
If a person knows what he is looking for and does a diligent search he can find a lot of high quality German Shepherds out there. It may feel like you are searching for the Holy Grail trying to find a quality pup that fits whatever personal equipment you may have, but it can be done. A bigger challenge is finding a quality breeder that cares about the dogs they produce and you as a customer and dog owner. In Tammie and Loyal Heart German Shepherd's I found both.
When I purchased Max I picked him up in Oklahoma (4 or 5) hours from Tammie's home. They drove him there, preferring not to fly him, and I gladly drove the 4 hours it took me to get to Oklahoma. I was greeted by a healthy well cared for puppy. I was surprised to receive a huge welcome packet of goodies, including sample food, toys, a collar, information on the breed, all of Tammie's Contact information, and very detailed medical records. My vet was shocked at how well documented the records were from Tammie and her vet. Tammie had her vet document every detail of exams. Tammie has followed up regarding Max for well over a year. She has given me feedback on how max's litter mates are doing. In short her follow up after the sale has been exemplary.
An example of Tammie's concern for the dogs she breeds can be expressed by a true story. When Max was a pup a litter mate had a retained tooth. Tammie emailed me to let me know to watch for that with Max. He had one tooth that I wasn't certain about, and I took him in to the vet. His teeth were fine, but it meant a lot to me that Tammie would take the time to let me know about a potential problem out there. How many breeders would do that? A retained tooth is not a big deal, but she could very easily have said nothing.
If a person knows what he is looking for and does a diligent search he can find a lot of high quality German Shepherds out there. It may feel like you are searching for the Holy Grail trying to find a quality pup that fits whatever personal equipment you may have, but it can be done. A bigger challenge is finding a quality breeder that cares about the dogs they produce and you as a customer and dog owner. In Tammie and Loyal Heart German Shepherd's I found both.
by steve1 on 14 May 2011 - 13:05
A lot of you Guys in the USA are always talking about the money that you make or cannot make from breeding these Dogs but you still breed from them I find it laughable to say the least,
You talk about 2000 - 3000 dollars as if it is nothing, on this thread alone the talk is about breeding and not making money that is rubbish no one is going to breed a litter Pups and sell them without making money
What i do not get is this, You can buy a TOP class bred Working line Shepherd in Belgium for
600 -700 Euros less than 1000 USA dollars. with shipping about 1400 plus dollars and this i am sorry to have to say it because it seems to be a negative thing with most on this board the Patents G,Parents and G G Parents will be tested in the sport of Such in most cases there will be very few Dogs in those generations which have not worked in the Such Sport, but perhaps that is the problem the Such sport does not seem to be recognized much in the USA.
But the Prices asked by the Breeders in the USA are way above the prices over here in general.
And i will say that at most the Breeding and Bloodlines in the USA are in most NOT on par with what you will get over here. Leastways not what i have scrolled through the last couple of weeks of the breeders in the USA and that includes some Guys on this website breeding German Shepherds. Controversial this may be but it needs to be said
Steve1
You talk about 2000 - 3000 dollars as if it is nothing, on this thread alone the talk is about breeding and not making money that is rubbish no one is going to breed a litter Pups and sell them without making money
What i do not get is this, You can buy a TOP class bred Working line Shepherd in Belgium for
600 -700 Euros less than 1000 USA dollars. with shipping about 1400 plus dollars and this i am sorry to have to say it because it seems to be a negative thing with most on this board the Patents G,Parents and G G Parents will be tested in the sport of Such in most cases there will be very few Dogs in those generations which have not worked in the Such Sport, but perhaps that is the problem the Such sport does not seem to be recognized much in the USA.
But the Prices asked by the Breeders in the USA are way above the prices over here in general.
And i will say that at most the Breeding and Bloodlines in the USA are in most NOT on par with what you will get over here. Leastways not what i have scrolled through the last couple of weeks of the breeders in the USA and that includes some Guys on this website breeding German Shepherds. Controversial this may be but it needs to be said
Steve1
by MsColeson on 14 May 2011 - 18:05
You talk about 2000 - 3000 dollars as if it is nothing, on this thread alone the talk is about breeding and not making money that is rubbish no one is going to breed a litter Pups and sell them without making money
Huh?????
Steve1
I think you may not have read this thread carefully or may have misunderstood it when reading. I said $2,500 - $3,000 is where a lot of breeders are making money for theirself!
In my personal opinion - those prices are WAY too much money for ANY puppy - I don't care who the ancestors are or where they came from or if they are titled - it's too much money for a puppy -!!!
Also - I said I don't make money at the low prices for my pups. It is because we put the money back into our Hobby and use the money for our dogs purposes, not our own. It is a Hobby for us to better the breed and we use every penny plus to try to do just that!
All I am asking is to please read the message before commenting on something.
Regards,
Tammie Coleson
Huh?????
Steve1
I think you may not have read this thread carefully or may have misunderstood it when reading. I said $2,500 - $3,000 is where a lot of breeders are making money for theirself!
In my personal opinion - those prices are WAY too much money for ANY puppy - I don't care who the ancestors are or where they came from or if they are titled - it's too much money for a puppy -!!!
Also - I said I don't make money at the low prices for my pups. It is because we put the money back into our Hobby and use the money for our dogs purposes, not our own. It is a Hobby for us to better the breed and we use every penny plus to try to do just that!
All I am asking is to please read the message before commenting on something.
Regards,
Tammie Coleson
by BMartin on 14 May 2011 - 18:05
Yeah, I want 60 acres and indoor/outdoor kennels for my dogs too.... perhaps I should buy a bunchof untitle bitches that I FEEL represent the breed standard instead of getting them KKL'ed like the rest of the world. Because my opinion is far supperior to that of a SV Judge. THEN I could afford to buy them that land and a nice 5 bedroom 4 bath house that they could come hang out in when they are bored of their kennels. And of course, nothing but the best, I would have a fantastic 2011 Ford F250 Kind Ranch 4x4 to haul them around in. People like you are the ones that are destroying the German Shepherd that I love. I am not saying your dogs are NOT breedworthy, I am saying you are lazy and greedy for not taking the appropriate measures to VERIFY their breedability before doing it. Hard-work and dedication seem to be lost along the way.... $1200 for a puppy is NOT a low price, its OVERPRICED for the lack of work involved. I would pay $1200 for a pup out of TITLED, hip/elbow cert, PROVEN producers. Those that pay $3000 for a pup are FOOLS, and for you to compare your kennel to those that charge $3000 makes you the Wal-Mart of BYBs... Low-priced guarentee... I am over this thread and the ignorance that is running rampant...
by MsColeson on 14 May 2011 - 19:05
So BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION... no, I personally have no first hand expierence with this kennel or their dogs.
B. Martin
This is what you said on this thread. You contridicted yourself with that post above and continue to do so as you make more posts which is where the "ignorance" is.
You are very Mean Spirited and Foolish. It makes me wonder what you do for a day job other than hang out on here to run other folks down so you can build yourself up. I don't believe for one minute you know it all - I certainly don't - and you make up jibberish just to keep your Foolish and Mean thoughts going on this thread hiding behind your computer at home.
I am not a "forum groupie" like you. I do have real work to do. Look who is calling who lazy!
No one will ever listen to a Fool. I won't for sure! It is people like you and some on this forum that really need to get a grip on life. People like you will be the downfall of the German Shepherd Breed I LOVE.
You do know that a lot of folks and breeders and the general population I know out there laugh about you and your "forum groupies" and we all know why you are on here every day on every thread is because you are addicted to the threads!! Deal with that one. lol
You do not know me and have no first hand experience with this kennel or our dogs, so stay out of our business! You don't know what you are talking about. Just a foolish and egotistical know it all with nothing to back it up! I have work to do and am going to work with my dogs right now. You are right about one thing and one thing only. This thread is finished.
B. Martin
This is what you said on this thread. You contridicted yourself with that post above and continue to do so as you make more posts which is where the "ignorance" is.
You are very Mean Spirited and Foolish. It makes me wonder what you do for a day job other than hang out on here to run other folks down so you can build yourself up. I don't believe for one minute you know it all - I certainly don't - and you make up jibberish just to keep your Foolish and Mean thoughts going on this thread hiding behind your computer at home.
I am not a "forum groupie" like you. I do have real work to do. Look who is calling who lazy!
No one will ever listen to a Fool. I won't for sure! It is people like you and some on this forum that really need to get a grip on life. People like you will be the downfall of the German Shepherd Breed I LOVE.
You do know that a lot of folks and breeders and the general population I know out there laugh about you and your "forum groupies" and we all know why you are on here every day on every thread is because you are addicted to the threads!! Deal with that one. lol
You do not know me and have no first hand experience with this kennel or our dogs, so stay out of our business! You don't know what you are talking about. Just a foolish and egotistical know it all with nothing to back it up! I have work to do and am going to work with my dogs right now. You are right about one thing and one thing only. This thread is finished.
by bbb on 14 May 2011 - 19:05
sorry that i started something that has turned into a big issue. never meant for any of this. though i guess i should have known better. has there been enough fighting on this thread yet to have a moderator shut it down?
by zigzag on 04 June 2011 - 09:06
Well if you look at the site it does look like she is in partners with Peggysue walker <german shepherd security,abba's german shepherd and what other name she uses> and we all know Peggysue is honest and trustworthy.Yes that was sarcaism just do a search on here and If you have time check out here site.I can't believe it says contact us before importing, our pups are equal or exceeds the quality of an import. So that woud be reason for me to stay away from this breeder hell she is even advertising a litter for peggysue.And yes I was burned by peggysue.
Steve
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