would your dog follow commands of another person who has his or her leash? - Page 5

It depends 1 on the dog, 2 on how it was trained. I have had sport dogs that will not listen to anyone but me and some would. My "working" k9 will not listen to anybody else and will bite if someone would try. PSD. and PPD. that i train is another story because they will have to go to a different handler. New handler/dog teams have to be taught that there is a bonding period and not just taking the dog and expect it to be in your control as soon as they take the leash. I have seen alot of handlers get a new dog and get bit up pretty bad. Just because they are a handler does not mean they are a trainer. One has to do their best to pair the right kind of dog with the right kind of handler.

Hmmm-nope would be the answer if I was anywhere around. The person I was working with for herding with my youngest thought that she was the best trainer since sliced bread and felt I DIDN'T understand or know my dog (????????????????). So I downed her and stepped out of the round pen. My girl looked at her when she gave the first command, essentially flipped her off, and walked to the gate, sat down and waited for me... None of my other dogs would take commands from anyone else. I think my father was the only other person they respected. Anyone else, including my husband - nope.

Ron,
That is exactly the reason I have commands in English and German for my dogs.  My wife is not allowed to use the German commands with my dogs simply because she will not enforce them.  My dogs will half ass listen to her unless she is giving them treats. 

I have handled numerous dogs for individuals during protection work. Usually for people who can't give a solid correction. Yes, I have been bitten....:-) Doesn't take much to realize which dogs to leave alone


That is very true and I couldn't agree more.  Over the years, I have done third party corrections with "dirty" dogs from behind the helper with the line between the helpers legs and have had dogs come around the helper.  I have done third party corrections from behind the handler and had dogs come back.  Some dogs just won't take it and will let you know pretty quickly.  It absolutely depends on the dog and you are correct some dogs you leave alone...Or find a fence to put the line or around a tree.  I'm sure you have had some of the same experiences.


Steve,

Dogs can be transferred from a handler or a trainer to a new owner.  There is an adjustment period and a bonding period.  It is not much different than the World Class SchH competitors that buy older trained dogs to compete with.  Those dogs work for their new handlers, in some cases even better.  There is also a "fit" which needs to be met.  Some dogs and some handlers just aren't a good fit or a good team.  It really needs to be the right match and pairing.


FWIW,

Jim
     a   and I couldn't agree         and haved   

What's a "dirty" dog? I've seen the term in a few different threads. Thanks in advance, Jen

clee,
A "dirty" dog is one that in protection training takes a bite on the decoy when it is not supposed too.  It is usually a training issue and takes a lot of work to correct.  For example in the hold and bark in SchH it describes a dog that enters the blind and bites or takes a cheap shot on the decoy.  The dog is supposed to bark with out touching, bumping or biting the sleeve or the decoy.  A dog that is "dirty" is one that comes in and takes a bite on the sleeve or decoy.


Jim 

My dog will most of the time sit, platz, come, speak, shake, rollover for my husband and that's about it.  If I'm around, they don't really mind him.  If I'm gone for a week, by then end they will do basics for him, just stuff he needs to keep control of the household, take them on walks, etc.  I don't really allow anyone else to give commands or handle them though.  I would never allow anyone else to correct them (NOT saying I'm against corrections, not at all, but....correct my dogs at your own risk!).

I would have at one time said no way. I have some that I know would walk right up that leash and blood would roll. And alot have said it alot depends on the dog, which I agree. But I met Jiri Novotny last spring, from Jinopo and, after watching him work dogs all day now I would not bet that he couldn't get any dog to work on leash. The guy is something else. He sure has my respect. But then again he had some of the best to learn from. So alot depends on who you hand the leash to.
Hank

That is exactly the reason I have commands in English and German for my dogs.  My wife is not allowed to use the German commands with my dogs simply because she will not enforce them.  My dogs will half ass listen to her unless she is giving them treats.

Jim...I'm going through this right now....I have resorted to kenneling him outside when I'm not home. I just told the family to use down instead of platz:-) He was beginning to think Platz meant...ignore:-) 

OP stated "your dog" not a PP dog or a "working" dog. By looking at the commentors I think all of us are knowledgeable. We know that the "working" dog no matter the type; PSD, EDD and so forth can not listen to any other except the handler for obvious reasons. And situation dictates when that K9 is at home. Family members, etc.

For my "working" dogs and dogs in training they are taught to listen to me and me only. Even as pets, I am the master. They can "meet" who I let them meet and "play/interact" with who I let them.

Steve, I'm not sure if you are strictly talking about PPDs or just any dog when you state that some of our dogs would definately listen to a stranger once holding their leash. For me and my dogs, doesn't matter if they're service dogs, pets or dogs in training. I don't want them to listen to anyone else except me. And at times throughout their lives/training I would have a friend try. Now there are a "couple" of people who my dogs are "excited" to see or will act like a puppy full of happiness with when they see them but they won't obey them at the same time. My decoy (off the field) is one of those persons. On the field it's a different story.

Also, at times with a girlfriend, it would be nice if the dogs listened/obeyed commands but it usually doesn't happen. Most of the time the dogs are looked at differently than the way I look at them. And if she doesn't "have it" then the dogs will pretty much ignore her in that respect.

lots of talented people here who train their own dogs well for their own working purpose i wish i was able to do that now i will be able to someday but for now i must rely on good trainers and advice from experienced board members :)