Asko von der Lutter - Page 5

Crzy GSD   you messing with who ?? lol are you insane hahhaa  don't know who you are  well not your log in name.....it's all good. i have my opinions and expiriences others have theirs :) 
Happy New Year :)

Pia

Just in case my attempt at sarcasm went arie:

I agree with the poster who said look at the esteemed breeders in Europe and elsewhere, who used Asko at stud.  These are not the kind of breeders who jump at the "flavor of the year", these are breeders who consistently produce and place dogs in the real world and in sports hands, even those sports hands not so well known, and those dogs still have success, whether it's on the local level or the international level.  So for me,  since I have a lot of respect for breeders like Karthago, like Pia, and many others, I tend to try to see what they are doing, and why,  so I can learn for myself, rather than listen to a nobody who just wants to be a somebody on the Internet.

My remarks about Internet breeders and trainers were meant as a cautionary note, to try and  point out, or remind people to keep in mind one of the foibles of the Internet.  Unfortunately if someone can write half way decently, they can  make it sound like they really know what they are talking about, they are given credence by new people and gullible people, even when the resume  of these supposed knowledgeable Internet breeders/trainers consists of nothing more than watching You Tube videos all day.  This is how unfair and vicious rumors take form and suddenly are considered fact.  This bothers me.

There were around 6 to 8 Children of Asko in the 2009 WUSV in Krefeld, I have not checked to see how they got on but to even reach that level of competition says a lot for Asko's Genes, One could call him a prepotent Breeder
Regards the 2010 WUSV i have not yet looked it up
Steve1

has anyone ever even given any credits to his mother haska , that produced Asko , Brax , Cliff , and fado van de lutter to name a few

behind every great male stands a great female

duke
I agree but this thread is about Asko so that is why females are not mentioned.
For me if i was given the choice of owning a Top Class Male or a Top Class Korclasse Female i would take the Female every time there are so many great male studs out there to choose from But not so many great Females
Incidently i had the pick of the Litter with Izzy i could have picked a Male, but i was not going to miss out on the Izzy choice after watching them grow up
Steve1

agree steve , but the same goes for asko offspring , if bred to crappy bitches , what do you expect
when bred to large numbers of bitches , if you want to know about asko input , look at the mothers of the dogs your looking at

 What is a typical asko offspring then, is it more biddable sportdogs that was mentioned? I´ve only heard askos father produced a number of dogs with a lively/high temperament and the few direct asko offspring I´ve seen seems to be of that type also, so I guess it´s a matter of taste if asko was good or not.

I don´t know if the number of his offspring that was in WUSV/BSP is sign of a better stud than anyone else, some males had 1 litter and two dogs entered the WUSV for example, I guess the most inttressting thing is to know what asko produced compared to other studs. I also wonder why he was breed so much, was it because he was a sucessfull competitiondogs just like troll or also other dogs, if so it makes you wonder if we really are breeding the best dogs or in many cases the most famous dogs. 

Well if a Dog has 6 or more Children competing in the WUSV in any one year, that must qualify him as a decent Stud, We all know you have to have the trainer all this has been said before but in all things Quality counts Yes, i think in the ScH sports world Asko can be put forward to be a very good Stud Dog indeed,
duke
In my other Sport i revier a great Breeding Female and to me she is worth more than Gold, several times i have had the hen that lays the Golden eggs and could have parted with them for a tidy sum, But No. they were the Back Bone of the Loft and who knows we could be also rans now had we sold them some 8 years ago instead we are still going as strong as ever those hens are now dead but the genes go on through there children and so, and with selective breeding will keep us going for another 20 years if i live that long or am still able to handle them.
Steve1

My personal experience with my Asko grandson, and traits I have observed in other Asko progeny:  High trainability, High drive, much aggression, slow to mature.  With my own, I would trade the higher aggression for a little more  prey drive, but that's just me, please let's not get into a discussion about what's more important in drives!  I have also seen Asko progeny with super high prey drive.  Like so many have said, he is only half the equation.  Of course take this opinion with a grain of salt, I am no one important or accomplished, I'm just a member of the peanut gallery.

Duke mentioned a good point about Haska. You could also put her other son, Basko v.d. Lutter,  in there as well. Many breeders in Germany said they feel that Haska was a great bitch and that it was her showing through in Asko. Again just another oppinion, but she did seem to produce very well.

Rick