BSZS bitework helpers - Page 5

Oh Tiger, so brave and yet so anonomous. What have you done to make you such a spokesperson for the breed? Please give me the link to your awesome webpage. Please feel free to come and visit my website. All the stud dogs are alive and well. All the breeding stock is x-rayed and DNAd (most in both Germany and the USA). You have not struck any nerve as I feel sorry for you. Probably a loser living out loud but afraid to give your name because you have accomplished NOTHING. Deb, I urge you to not continue any further exchange with this loser. If they can't give their name, they have no credibility.

Not looking for a firestorm here, but on the site listed above there is a very nice looking young male born 11/24/06. Still very young, untitled, but sired litters that whelped 4/6/06, 5/17/06, and 7/20/06. DJC - is this your site, as tiger implied? Where is the logic on those breedings - wondering why you have bred this male so young? Just curious.

Laporte, His birthday is 11/24/04. His hips have been xrayed and his training is going very well. Just not there yet. Thanks, Debby

Sorry....meant '04. I'm not commenting on the dog - looks very nice in the photos - but the first litter whelped around the time he was about 18 months old. Let's say average 63 day pregnancy, that puts the breeding at *around* 16 mos? I'm sure his training is going well, and I'm sure you a stamped his hips, but people who breed dogs based on how training is going?????? There's alot of proving yet to be done. I'm not meaning this as a personal attack. I know you aren't the only one who does this. I just don't get the logic. In Germany, those litters couldn't be registered. Might be really nice pups - I'm not commenting about the quality of what was produced (because I don't know) - but wondering why you bred an untitled, underage male 3 times?

there are many things in addition to sch titles that are looked at and are rock solid in this dog. sch titles are not the say all end all. He is already better than the majority of dogs shown at the BSZS. So where is there not logic for using him. It is not causing him any undue physical harm. lol There is no doubt in anyones mind who has seen and worked him, on the final outcome. How does that compare to titled dogs who do not pass simple show bitework? In fact I have seen people bring over supposedly titled dogs who act like they have never seen a helper. I do all of my training myself with a private trainer. We take the time to make things absolutly correct before proceeding. Unlike others who would be lost on a sch field because they have never titled a dog themselves. Only paid for titled dogs. I do not live in Germany and 18 months is not uncommon for breeding. The pups are great, registered and in the process of being shown.

In fact, what is the logic in breeding a dog just because it is sch titled and can't pass simple testing?!!

In fact, what is the logic in breeding a dog just because it is sch titled and can't pass simple testing?!!

Debby, for heaven's sake stop putting words into my mouth that were never uttered. I make NO excuses. I am realistic. You on the other hand are a bit over the top here. Interesting development though. Harping on The Rules as long as they do not have to apply to yourself? Hmmmmm... (scratching head and shaking it). That is exactly what I am talking about. Either all the way or no way. But don't pick your raisins, please! Also surprising that you could not even find out what it costs to have the dog travel with you as excess baggage, which ranges from $150 to $350US depending on the airline, one way, between the USofA and good old Germany. Or do you really think that all these people have 3 grand to spend PER dog just to get it to Germany? But of course they are all priviliged schmucks with cr*ppy dogs. Or how about Denmark for the upcoiming WUSV. Sure, every participant who qualified has 3K as pocket change, plus cost of accommodation, ground transportation, their own flight etc.Even via cargo, which would be extremely foolish, you are looking at $1200US tops. A call to a travel agent would have been enough. When you book your flight you ask the travel agent: "and how much when I travel with my dog, he needs a 500 crate". But success includes more than knowing the rules. Getting there is kind of obvious. Next is no excuses about getting there. Because that was just about the lamest excuse I have heard. You have funds to buy dogs in Germany, travel to Germany but no few hundred bucks to bring the dog with. Then just finishing. And if you are really lucky, then you might just do well. We will talk again next year, after you have been there. Since your dog is such a wonder dog, he will have NO problems making it there as a 2 year old, actually nearly 3 year old by the time, so already almost an old fart in the working dog class. He should fly. And put all the other dogs to shame. Interesting that he is 'just' an import. So just a dog born in Germany like all the others. What makes him soooo Special? But first please explain to me why this super doggy of yours is not SchH3 and KKl1 yet? As most show GSD in Germany that age are already? If he was that good, 18 months Schh1 (May '06), 19 months Schh2, 20 months SchH3 (July '06), next week IPO3, KKL sometime inbetween, lots of time after all. So what is your excuse? I bet there will be a string of them. We have enough dogs in training that have SchH3 and KKL before their second birthday. And according to you, they are much lesser dogs. And now everyone in Germany is also paying for titles... You really are a peach. So the parents of your super doggy had bought titles too then. And their parents. How do you suppose a dog that never got any training and just a bought title would possibly pass a KKL in front of all the many many people that flock to a KKL from all over the region, and beyond, and include rather critical working lines folks who are just waiting for the smallest glitch happening among the show line crowd. How do you suppose such a dog passes the KKL? And then passes the BSZS courage test? Please share your abundant expertise on that with us! A 16 months old dog already better than most of the BSZS dogs? Oh, so I suppose a dog clearly headed for LGA, BSP, FCI, WUSV and at the same age is also doing better work than most BSZS dogs should therefore also have exceptions to the current SV rules apply so that it can breed before 24 months of age? And need no titles, because we already know that he is so much better, right? He does not have to put it to the test. We knowhhhhhh. But f'course. What was I thinking!

Logic? Because its the rules, isn't it?

Those are not international rules. They are not rules here. I have broken no rules. I did call the airline and check on prices. It was 130.00 to bring him in a 500 crate. They failed to mention about the weight limit. I would never waste money on a travel agent. In fact if you looked back at the June 06 posts I brought that subject up. Think what you want. It's no skin off my nose. You are pretty naive( or is it yet another one of those stick your head in the sand stories) to think that all sch titles are legit. Or are you just defending poor training. The proof is in the performance. Yeah, right ... a sch 3 dog fails the simple "attack on handler" and the "courage" test. Yup all 47 male working class dogs were having a bad day... lol The imported dogs with sch titles that don't know a command and act like they have never seen a helper before are all legit too. Right. lol THAT defies all logic.