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by Wildmoor on 05 May 2010 - 00:05
Which newest book are you refering to?
If colour is not related to health as you would have everyone believe why as color dilution alopecia (CDA) been identified in dilute GSDs?
Skin
In dogs, there are several tardive follicle dysplasias, including colour dilution alopecia. This is found in some dogs bearing the coat colour genotype dd, which renders black genotypes blue and liver genotypes beige or fawn. This syndrome is best known in Doberman Pinschers but is also commonly seen in colour dilute Dachshunds, Italian Greyhounds, Greyhounds, Whippets, Yorkshire Terriers, and tricolour hounds and has now been reported in a German Shepherd. Affected dogs are born with normal hair coats but before 1 yr of age begin to develop folliculitis and hypotrichosis that is progressive and confined to the blue or fawn coloured areas.
Nose
A not predominantly black nose would include a nose with a non-insignificant amount of pink on it. A genetically black nose can turn pink as a result of an injury, but will return to black after a healing period. A genetically pink nose is always pink and can sunburn and lead to cancer.
Apart from the above conditions that have direct links to colour there are also those that are severely inbred on known producers of major health conditions just so the breeders can produce an abnormal colour.
Do you not use OFA or PENNHIP ? www.offa.org/results.html
Who takes blood or swabs?
Why as this so called genetic mutation not appeared anywhere else in the world?
You say parents and grparents have been DNA'd the mix could have happened much further back!
If colour is not related to health as you would have everyone believe why as color dilution alopecia (CDA) been identified in dilute GSDs?
Skin
In dogs, there are several tardive follicle dysplasias, including colour dilution alopecia. This is found in some dogs bearing the coat colour genotype dd, which renders black genotypes blue and liver genotypes beige or fawn. This syndrome is best known in Doberman Pinschers but is also commonly seen in colour dilute Dachshunds, Italian Greyhounds, Greyhounds, Whippets, Yorkshire Terriers, and tricolour hounds and has now been reported in a German Shepherd. Affected dogs are born with normal hair coats but before 1 yr of age begin to develop folliculitis and hypotrichosis that is progressive and confined to the blue or fawn coloured areas.
Nose
A not predominantly black nose would include a nose with a non-insignificant amount of pink on it. A genetically black nose can turn pink as a result of an injury, but will return to black after a healing period. A genetically pink nose is always pink and can sunburn and lead to cancer.
Apart from the above conditions that have direct links to colour there are also those that are severely inbred on known producers of major health conditions just so the breeders can produce an abnormal colour.
Do you not use OFA or PENNHIP ? www.offa.org/results.html
Who takes blood or swabs?
Why as this so called genetic mutation not appeared anywhere else in the world?
You say parents and grparents have been DNA'd the mix could have happened much further back!
by Wildmoor on 05 May 2010 - 00:05
Your words Melissa
My Willy Wonka was done at 18 months and has OFA fair elbows - normal hips (Willy is a LC brother to the male already in the UK).
I thought OFA was 2 years? I thought they do not use the word 'normal' to describe hips? isnt it just: excellent, good, fair, borderline, mild, moderate, severe? Since when do OFA use the word 'fair' for elbows? isnt it: Normal, Indeterminate, DJD Grade 1, 2 & 3, UAP/DJD grade 1, 2 & 3, FCP/DJD Grade 1, 2 & 3, OCD/DJD Grade 1, 2 & 3, Ununited Medial Epicondyle?
your Willy's sibling has a BVA score of 32/5 = total of 37 and was being offered at public stud, not sure if it still is how is this improving the Breed?
Do not give me the excuses you gave others elsewhere that it was injury/trauma as my 0:0 male has recently suffered a severe trauma this has not affected his hips and at the age of 5 years there are no changes what so ever to his hips not even any sign of DJD which would affect the score.
My Willy Wonka was done at 18 months and has OFA fair elbows - normal hips (Willy is a LC brother to the male already in the UK).
I thought OFA was 2 years? I thought they do not use the word 'normal' to describe hips? isnt it just: excellent, good, fair, borderline, mild, moderate, severe? Since when do OFA use the word 'fair' for elbows? isnt it: Normal, Indeterminate, DJD Grade 1, 2 & 3, UAP/DJD grade 1, 2 & 3, FCP/DJD Grade 1, 2 & 3, OCD/DJD Grade 1, 2 & 3, Ununited Medial Epicondyle?
your Willy's sibling has a BVA score of 32/5 = total of 37 and was being offered at public stud, not sure if it still is how is this improving the Breed?
Do not give me the excuses you gave others elsewhere that it was injury/trauma as my 0:0 male has recently suffered a severe trauma this has not affected his hips and at the age of 5 years there are no changes what so ever to his hips not even any sign of DJD which would affect the score.
by noddi on 05 May 2010 - 07:05
melissa,now i,ve gone and read the article yu have so kindly linked on your post and i,m sorry but NOWHERE IN THIS ARTICLE DOES IT MENTION THE BREED OF GERMAN SHEPHERD.if i,m blind perhaps yu can point out where it refers to gsds as i honestly cant see it.as i said in an earlier post on this thread,THESE PUPS DO NOT EVEN LOOK LIKE GSD PUPS DO.IMO.THEIR FACES DO NOT APPEAR NORMAL FOR GSDS.SORRY.Carole S.
by missbeeb on 05 May 2010 - 08:05
How about... the lesser known, lesser spotted German Shepherd Dog... a real rarity and sure to sell for BIG money to unsuspecting Joe Public!
THAT'S what it's really all about... no doubt!
by bazza on 05 May 2010 - 09:05
I have just spent some time on this ladies web site, all I can say is UNBELIEVABLE. Why do people have to breed dogs like this? I just don't get it, what ever happened to the GSD standard? I Make no apologies for saying not one of these dogs meets the standard. I see you also have Huskies, no offense but if a Husky is not in the mix of some of these dogs then I'm a banana!!! I saw 1 hip/elbow grade, and that's dubious, no breed surveys, for obvious reasons, no titles of any sort, more colours than the rainbow, non standard col/coats, a mass collector/breeder of anything other than a breed standard correct GSD, WTF. People like this make me sick, while breeders strive to have dogs that are correct to the standard, these people breed anything and the breed standard goes out the window, why? cause they think they know better?? cause they think the colours are pretty???? And now some breeder with the same thinking has brought 2/3 dogs from this breeder to the UK?? OMG
I will say one thing I got educated on that site, I have never heard of BRUSH COAT, TRI COLOUR, ISABELLA GSD, PIEBALD GSD, Ay FAWN GSD, ETC ETC. Maybe that's because I like thousands of others know that this type of breeding is wrong, and you will never convince me otherwise. Pleas do not address me with a reply, no amount of "links" scientific yada, will change my mind, EVER. Last comment, disgusted, I'm out!!!!!
I will say one thing I got educated on that site, I have never heard of BRUSH COAT, TRI COLOUR, ISABELLA GSD, PIEBALD GSD, Ay FAWN GSD, ETC ETC. Maybe that's because I like thousands of others know that this type of breeding is wrong, and you will never convince me otherwise. Pleas do not address me with a reply, no amount of "links" scientific yada, will change my mind, EVER. Last comment, disgusted, I'm out!!!!!
by noddi on 05 May 2010 - 10:05
morning Bazza,the only breed of dog i know that can be described BRUSH COAT is a sharpei.never heard of any other breed,s coat described as such.i am totally in agreement with yu.why start a new fad over here with wot i consider as cross breeds.even the pups dont resemble gsd puppies.the faces look all wrong to me.methinks A MONEY MAKING COMMODITY.we,ll have all the unscrupulous BYB coming out of the woodwork clamering to buy a male and female regardless of whether they,re related or not.new byb will be setting up also.the KC.should really be putting a stop to this kind of thing instead of persecuting the gsd.breed.once again we,re up in arms and rightly so.wonder if they will register them.bet ya bottom dollar they will.Carole S.
by noddi on 05 May 2010 - 10:05
morning Bazza,the only breed of dog i know that can be described BRUSH COAT is a sharpei.never heard of any other breed,s coat described as such.i am totally in agreement with yu.why start a new fad over here with wot i consider as cross breeds.even the pups dont resemble gsd puppies.the faces look all wrong to me.methinks A MONEY MAKING COMMODITY.we,ll have all the unscrupulous BYB coming out of the woodwork clamering to buy a male and female regardless of whether they,re related or not.new byb will be setting up also.the KC.should really be putting a stop to this kind of thing instead of persecuting the gsd.breed.once again we,re up in arms and rightly so.wonder if they will register them.bet ya bottom dollar they will.Carole S.
by gertv on 05 May 2010 - 11:05
Hi All
I'm very sorry, actually sad, but if this particular pup has indeed only got a 'colour' issue, then to me it's unfortunately a very poor specimen of a purebred GSD in any case. Look at the development of the head????????
What are we breeding under the name of German Shepherd Dogs...
I'm very sorry, actually sad, but if this particular pup has indeed only got a 'colour' issue, then to me it's unfortunately a very poor specimen of a purebred GSD in any case. Look at the development of the head????????
What are we breeding under the name of German Shepherd Dogs...
by ducktoller on 05 May 2010 - 11:05
The "Pandas" have been in the UK for a while now:
aristima.webs.com/cloud.htm
http://www.calmholmegsd.co.uk/#/bear/4539147943
http://www.mysti-skies.co.uk/
Husky cross anyone...
by AmbiiGSD on 05 May 2010 - 12:05
None of those dogs are Panda's They have reversed Masks, so they look striking... I certainly wouldn't lump them into the panda/ticking category. (Although I'd say that had a whole different category of their own)
Infact I'm going to take that back because it's not really a reversed mask, similar facial markings can be seen in old west and east german dogs, but theirs weren't exaggerated by double recessive dilutes!
Infact I'm going to take that back because it's not really a reversed mask, similar facial markings can be seen in old west and east german dogs, but theirs weren't exaggerated by double recessive dilutes!
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