Dog from german lines with AKC Championship - Page 5

Please use logic....Let's see, in the past dogs were line bred and in-bred to set type and character and gee..create the breed.  I'm not making it up.  Go read it for yourself. 

Perhaps what the breed really needs is that in order to breed, the dog owners will be required to take and pass a course on genetics and logical thinking and analysis.  Computer generated so that there's no cheating.  If you don't pass it then no breeding for you,  and if you get caught then there should be hefty fines to pay.  Then a planned breeding would truly be a planned breeding. 

Good grief, does the bashing ever stop in this place?  I think we need to spay and neuter most people to prevent an over population of ignorance from ruining the human genetic pool.

Some really good input on most of the posts above.  

Here is an import that did pretty well in the U.S. shows. 4 shows, 4 major wins. and all specialities at that. There are many dogs in Germany that can do well in the AKC shows.

www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/395015.html

There are just not a lot of people with the talent and/or desire to go and dig them out.

Rik

Very nice looking dog Ric...  has much to offer in many areas. Could definately help with the loss of male characteristics, pigment and bone. For once it's a dog who even has a good shoulder angle, which many seem to overlook.

Pale... in the origin of the breed inbreeding was absolutely necessary to set breed type. Horand was inbred upon massively as were other early dogs.  There also weren't the number of choices there are today.  Breeders can (and usually should) choose a partner for their bitch of like type, but different pedigree... it's no longer needed to breed to the bitches brother to find that, and linebreeding (I'll define no dogs repeated in 1st 3 generations, but in the 4th and 5th) will bring a stronger genetic pool without concentrating faults to the point they can't be bred out easily.  MOST BREEDERS don't have the knowledge of genetics, nor pedigrees sufficient to justify doing inbreedings.While there are still times when it may be the best choice in most cases it is not.  The AKC, and in turn the GSDCA, lack the policing power to enforce that.  Everyone throws stones @ Lance, but if he had not been used badly thru inbreeding the faults that have come thru that line would not have lead to the loss of bone and substance it did.  If German lines had been used to bring in those characteristics it would have been fine.  Lance's best breedings were to Bernd and Hein progeny.  (sorry to use examples from so far back, but I've not kept up on the USA lines over the past few years... )  I'd LOVE to see dogs such as the male Ric posted combined to bring back both the structural and temperment traits that we've lost.

WW, I have never heard anyone that knew Lance personal (I did not) say that he was a bad dog.

Most felt he was a very good dog at the time. The issue has come in that AM. S/L are based almost 100% on him, with every line being traced directly back to Lance. I don't think any single dog could stand this much line breeding/inbreeding and do any better.

The GSDCA certainly has enough policing power to require certain standards be met in order to obtain the GV and Select ratings awarded at the National Speciality every year.

Rik