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by Archania on 20 April 2010 - 21:04

Hip score 36/35 ?

Whats this dogs hip score ??

by Doppelganger on 20 April 2010 - 21:04

Zakasia, you ask:

Did that apply when they were filming pedigree dogs exposed???

They had KC permission to film as they were making a documentary.

even tho it stated in the schedule that nobody is allowed to take vidoe or take photographs of other peoples dogs...

Anyone can take general views of the show but not individual dogs without the owners permission.

and since when has the kennel club had the right to tell people when and where they can take pictures.

Since they licensed the show in accordance with their rules.

by pacosbear on 20 April 2010 - 22:04

Archania - 36/35 = 71 in total, under the uk's BVA scheme worst is 53/53 = 106 in total.

The breed average is 19 total

by Archania on 20 April 2010 - 22:04

Exactly Pacosbear - hence me wondering what the hip scores are of that dog's progeny !

Thats a scary score.....surely if it was that high it would have been noticable before the scoring ?

by GSDalways on 20 April 2010 - 23:04

even tho it stated in the schedule that nobody is allowed to take vidoe or take photographs of other peoples dogs...

I have never seen a reference in a schedule where it states photographs are not allowed. Although there have been references to not taking videos unless consent has been gained from the owner of the dog.

The only reference I have seen with regards to photographs, is the part which states that "stewards need to ensure that photographers are not inside the ring when judging is in progress".

by dwblb on 21 April 2010 - 08:04

Until the Kennel Club provides judges with hip scores so that these can be used as part of the assessment of the dogs in the ring, then dogs with high hip scores will continue to be placed at their Championship shows.

"English type" GSDs are not the only type with high hip scores to be placed at Championship shows. One dog won its class last year at Crufts with a hip score of 68. A bitch entered into the same class as myself at this year's Crufts, finished in the top five with a hip score of 48.

It also goes to show that a high hip score doesn't necessarily mean bad movement, especially in the younger dogs when arthritus hasn't set in yet.

I doubt the Kennel Club will change its policy because as far as they are concerned, if a problem can't be seen, it isn't a problem. Just look at their response to the King Charles Spaniels highlighted on PDE with brains too big for their skulls. The dogs can trot around the ring in absolute agony but as long as it can't be seen, no action needs to be taken. Weak hocks however which don't cause a dog any discomfort, are to be heavily penalised because they can be seen.

I don't agree with breeding from very high hip scored dogs but it is no better to breed from dogs that haven't been scored at all.

Louise.

by truckindog on 21 April 2010 - 09:04

What reaction did you expect when you start to take specific pics of dogs at a dog show when it has already been stated on this site what the intention was!! Perhaps if anyone had had the manners to ask the question then the reaction may have been different. It was my wife who asked you to take the picture off the camera and I could here the conversation as could the judge. I feel sure that had she been "aggresive" you would have been quick to complain,you were asked in a firm direct manner. The photo of my other dog is not in stance as yuo stated bot I was having a conversation with the lady next to me and dropping the chain down the dogs neck. Our dogs are not the same and this argument has gone on for at least the last 42yrs I've been involved and yes I do still prefer the standard type from this era like these.

by truckindog on 21 April 2010 - 09:04

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I have no problem listening to other views but while we all tear each other apart in such negative ways we also destroy our breed. For the record On the many occasions I have spoken to the KC Health and Welfare I believe they have no allegance
to any differentual of type they do however believe dogs should be fit healthy and sound. Personally I believe as I have said before that to make a definitive improvement in the health of ou dogs then breeding stock should have a hip score of no more than total 15 elbows 0 and be tested clear for hemo A and von willibrands, yes my dog is.The releavence of health issues in show dogs is not important but breeding stock is. I wonder if the raised backline would have gained popularity so quickly had it not been introduce by such recognised breeders.Given that we can all recognise that the breed origins all had straight backs the question I seem never to be able to get an answer to is, how has the convexed spine improved the breed. Perhaps someone can give me that answer. Most dogs have room for improvement and i believe mine are no exception our dog has poor front pasterns which we continue to work on but I feel we have overcome this with his son. Surely if everyone try's in this manner to improve our dogs without developing the extremes then this has got to be the best way forward. So as there to be no hard feelings re the pics here is my dog and his son.

by Archania on 21 April 2010 - 09:04

Personally Truckindog i appriciate the opportunity to learn.

Lots of photographs taken at shows of different dogs, help me do just that. I'm unsure why your wife would ask someone to remove a picture from a camera ?. But each to their own.

The dog you have posted above reminds me more of the *working type dog* i associated with in the 80's. it's front legs are longer, it has nice feet & good pasterns, a deep chest and to me a nice solid looking face. It does not resemble to me, the dog in the first picture on this thread.

Is that your dog in the picture above ?

by truckindog on 21 April 2010 - 09:04

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Both won there classes at Wales pup was beaten by a very nice, very alert minor pup for BPD

John Leadbeater

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