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by joanro on 21 March 2012 - 10:03
"I don't think an inexperienced owner should take the risk"............ Makes the GSD as a breed sound like a bad choice and very ominous for inexperienced owner. Unless the pup is raised locked in a dark, cold garage all alone, seems like it would get socialized living with the family who wanted it in the first place. Living with the family and participating in family stuff, obedience training, doing normal things will not usually turn out a freak.
by Gustav on 21 March 2012 - 14:03
Classy reply Ace, don't let people get it twisted. HaHa
by mfh27 on 21 March 2012 - 16:03
"seems like it would get socialized living with the family who wanted it in the first place. Living with the family and participating in family stuff, obedience training" - that is your definition of under socialized, not mine.
by joanro on 21 March 2012 - 16:03
The rest of that, in context , is :doing normal things will not usually turn out a freak. I was not defining "under socialized". But a decently bred gsd should not require extra hours and miles to behave in a normal, sane manner for inexperienced owner.
by Gusmanda on 21 March 2012 - 20:03
it would get socialized living with the family who wanted it in the first place. Living with the family and participating in family stuff, obedience training, doing normal things
That's how I would describe a good way to socialize.
That's how I would describe a good way to socialize.
by Witz on 23 March 2012 - 19:03
How about another angle. My last male WLGSD had a sire who was just nasty. So my trainer (30 years of Schutzhund experience) said that I really needed to socialize him both in general exposure plus interaction with people of all shapes and sizes. He loved everyone, but 3 times decided that the situation and the people involved needed to clearly warned to step back.
My current pup (13 months old) who is a son of Bandit Vom Wolfshiem has been socialized in the same way. He is comfortable anywhere we go and with anyone he meets. I have recently observed his paying very close attention to service personel who come to our house. He greets them nicely and then follows from a distance and just sits and watchs. I expect that as he continues to mature he will continue to be receptive to meeting people, but will also have that "sense" to know when something just does not feel right.
So the other angle or question might be, does a well bred, very socialized dog lose their edge to retain the natural ability to sense that something is not right and step up to make their presence known?
My current pup (13 months old) who is a son of Bandit Vom Wolfshiem has been socialized in the same way. He is comfortable anywhere we go and with anyone he meets. I have recently observed his paying very close attention to service personel who come to our house. He greets them nicely and then follows from a distance and just sits and watchs. I expect that as he continues to mature he will continue to be receptive to meeting people, but will also have that "sense" to know when something just does not feel right.
So the other angle or question might be, does a well bred, very socialized dog lose their edge to retain the natural ability to sense that something is not right and step up to make their presence known?
by Gusmanda on 23 March 2012 - 19:03
So the other angle or question might be, does a well bred, very socialized dog lose their edge to retain the natural ability to sense that something is not right and step up to make their presence known?
I have that same doubt concerning property protection dogs, whether it makes sense to socialize them or to some extent it is better to limit interaction with people aside from owners.
I have that same doubt concerning property protection dogs, whether it makes sense to socialize them or to some extent it is better to limit interaction with people aside from owners.
by Red Sable on 23 March 2012 - 19:03
I have a dog that was as friendly as they come, in fact, I believe I came on here close to 4 years ago wondering if LSC's all have a friendly disposition, as that is an old wives tale I'd heard. I took her every where, and because she was so cute, everyone petted her. I still do take her everywhere with me.
Anyway, shortly after she turned a year, BOOM, total turn around. She will stop anyone any size dead in their tracks.
I honestly haven't seen that much difference in the dogs I've socialized to death, and the dogs I haven't. I'm a firm believer in genetics. If they've got good genetics, they've got good genetics. Not much we can do to change them.
The more you socialize a dog to normal goings on, the more they will know the abnormal. JMHO.
Anyway, shortly after she turned a year, BOOM, total turn around. She will stop anyone any size dead in their tracks.
I honestly haven't seen that much difference in the dogs I've socialized to death, and the dogs I haven't. I'm a firm believer in genetics. If they've got good genetics, they've got good genetics. Not much we can do to change them.
The more you socialize a dog to normal goings on, the more they will know the abnormal. JMHO.
by Gusmanda on 23 March 2012 - 20:03
hey Red Sable, whats a LSC?
by Red Sable on 23 March 2012 - 20:03
A hairy stock coat. 
Long stock coat.
Long stock coat.
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