Elbow open - Page 4

We, the show, lost work ability and here we are having inferior trot too, no work no trot 

Okay, maybe my question was wrong, I will ask it again

Do you think the REPRESENTATION of show GSD shoulder bones in Mr. Alquati picture is wrong or correct?

Because representation could be correct and factual but still the skeleton itself in your opinion is not good and messed up

No, the depiction is wrong.

This is Vegas - it was difficult to find adequate pictures without him being restricted by leash or speed of the handler...

Not THAT bad...

Ibrahim, I think the skeletons are not okay, the forechest is made by breastbone, rips, and muscles - no "twisted" upperarm.

It´s a problem of all together ( worst problem an arched back )

 

His elbow open in this picture is indeed better than previous ones, but I claim Xeph's and Joanro's dogs still show better elbow open, what you say?

Do you mean Susie, the front upper arm is almost straight even in WGSL? Do you happen to have a true trace or screen that proves that?
Almost all authors (except Lanting) who write about forequarter assembly of WGSL show non straight (bent outward/twisted) front upper arm bone.

Ibrahim, the skeletons you posted are deformed. The point of shoulder is not supposed to be in the neck, but even with point of sternum. Not twisted.

Ibrahim, you are comparing dogs trotting in slow speed, off leash, having fun, carrying a toy in the muzzle, to a dog restricted by leash, obedience, speed, and handler...

Vegas may not be my fav, but his shoulder is the smallest trouble. I could find better pictures, but right now I am writing from a 8 years old XP computer - takes way too long to upload anything.

Another one..

Just read your question, Ibrahim - yes, I think the front upperarm of GSL are still straight, what changed is depth of chest, broadness of rips, and in a lot of dogs curve of back, combined with overangulation in the rear.