Trustworthy German Trainers? - Page 4

I am the training director of a service dog organization that specializes in mobility assistance.  Most of the dogs I train are labs and goldens.  I do schutzhund,with my gsds, for fun and my own piece of mind.

"Yes, I've put a lot of time into her basics, but I do not have what it takes to put all the training together. I know my limitations. I've done this so that her training will take less time away from home."

At one point in time I did not know how to do the training either. But the only way to learn is to GO OUT AND TRAIN. I, like you, knew what my limitations were to, but I kept plugging along and learned.  I am not a trainer that has titled multiple dogs to SchH3 or gone to the Regionals, Nationals or WUSV. I have titled 6 dogs with a BH, 1 dog to SchH1 and trialed for a SchH2 once. But at one point in time I didnt know....so what I am trying to say is if you want to learn the ONLY way you are going to is to start now.

"I was wrong, I'd be happy with 75,75,80! Not every dog can be VA, some can attain V, and others less. Sometimes the best dog in the show can only attain a V rating - because of its parentage."

75-75-80 is BARELY passing. I personally, along with alot of SchH trainers, would not take a dog to a trial/show if I was going to barley pass. Points are easily lost and I would not want to go to a trial/show know that I had that few of points to "loose". I understand tthat handler errors happen, I have made many of them. But if that is all the dog had I personally wouldnt even try.  I know that some dogs can only V rate because of parentage. But that wasnt my point.

"A 100+ years ago I would have to agree with German Shepherds being working dogs. But in this day, the vast majority of all German Shepherds (that are titled) are "sport" dogs, not working dogs. The majority of owners that actually train or own a SchH titled dog and continue to trial them and then breed them. The majority do not use them in a formal job such as K-9, SAR, Security etc... There are exceptions of course - Jyota's father worked as riot control prison guard."

Thinking like that is what is ruining this breed. There are ALOT of people that do SAR, K9 etc work with the GSD. Again, first and foremost this is a WORKING breed.

Wow,

Sitasmom you make me sick to my stomach that you are a breeder in the GSD world.

If all you want is 75,75,80 why don't you look for the nearest midnight trial, put sine money across the judge's palm and take your title.

You're no better than that.

Well, in Sitasmom defense, I think she is being very honest anbout her goals, her capabailities and limitations.  I have to respect that.  I may disagree with her, but she has been very straight forward and very upfront.  I personally would work toward titling the dog myself, but my situation is diffferent. 

SM, I appreciate your honesty on this thread.

Jim

Thank you, FhTracker and Jyl. At least I know I am not the only one sick over Sitasmom,and her breeding crap.  The German Shepherd is a WORKING DOG. People like her who are satisfied with mediocrity are destroying the breed. If you want to get even more sick.Just go to the website I Guard Int. posted.  He tries to claim he sells these conformation dogs to police.LOL  Why do theses show people insist on ruining our breed. There are plenty of breeds that can do nothing but show. 

" Take this trouble for me:  Make sure my shepherd dog remains a WORKING DOG for I have struggled all my life long for that aim"  Captain Max von Stephanitz.  Brings tears to my eyes just typing that.

There is nothing wrong with sending your dog to get titles. That's why there are trainers. But i don't agree with limiting your dogs ability. Sure if the dog can only get 70's then that's what it is. But to settle for that if the dogs capable of more makes no sense. Especially if someone is training the dog for you. You don't have to do any work lol.

   Mark

Jim,

Respectfully, no there is no defense in this situation for this woman.   She has basically just admitted to being a puppy mill and there are enough of those in this country.

Point is What will be on the Dogs Pedigree will be ScH3, There will not be any mention of it scraping in on three Phases with just 10 points leeway to Failure of the ScH3 grading, That is negative thinking Sitasmom. You go out to get the highest Score every time,
However if you send the Dog away to get it  trained to say ScH3 then you would expect the person training it to do better than 75 - 75 - 80, I know that i would expect more, That simply is not acceptable just because you want to breed with it SL or WL makes no difference it is a thing called Pride in what you do that counts
Always aim HIGH, then whatever you get you will know you went for tops and not just to scrape in, Pride comes in that even if you fail
Steve1

if I had to choose between sending my dog away for say 3 months to get a schh2 with passing scores or having her stay for 6 months with excellent scores, I would choose the 3 months. sending her away for 3 months would be difficult enough, and 6 months without her would be living hell.

i work her every day. once she gets back, i will continue to work her, in order to improve her scores....... the issue isn't having a fully trained dog that's at the top of her game when she gets back, but to have a dog that knows what to do that can improved on. having a show title, a breed survey and a dog that I can learn by and to teach also. If she is an outstanding studend and can attain better scores in 3 months - i would be delighted!

there are so many places where i need to learn how to handle and for me, at least, trying to teach a dog while trying to teach myself just not working. as i said before, i know my limtations.

no puppy mill - whelped 2 puppies in 2 years.....