Dog from german lines with AKC Championship

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by TessJ10 on 05 October 2009 - 22:10

And that's why those folks were in the "peanut gallery" and not in the ring.

by Palestar on 05 October 2009 - 22:10

Yes it is possible. Don't quit after the first show. If you listen to those who tell you that you can't, then you never will. Live on the wild side..lol...if someone tells you that you can't...make it a point to do it to prove them wrong. Helen Gleasen, Joan Fox, Dan Smith, Ken Downing, Carmen Battaglia...all of them will give you a fair look in the ring. There are others but those are off the top of my head. Get to know the judges because they are out there. You WILL do better in UKC as opposed to AKC simply because the pro-handlers are not there. In AKC it's often times about the handler (unfortunately). In UKC...I know it's a shock...but they look at the dog.

Quitters never win, they stand on the side-lines and try to discourage you and get you to quit too so they can have company.

by Dawn G. Bonome on 05 October 2009 - 22:10

I am not discouraging anyone. If you have alot of money (thousands of dollars) to use one of the BIG HANDLERS to campaign a dog, then go for it. Just be realistic. They will also try to persuade you to get an AMERICAN SHEPHERD if you want to show in their SPECIALTY SHOWS, as this is the type of dog that they prefer.
I also like FRED LANTING, but mention him to an AMERICAN BREEDER, they hate his guts. If I remember correctly he put a GERMAN DOG up at one of the GSDCA Specialty Shows that he judged and had him banned from judging. I think that it was Kimbo Bisschofscheim, NOT Neumann's Jim. MY MISTAKE! Does anyone remember this? AND why he was banned?
They will put a German dog LAST!

All of the above Judges are friends with each other. They judge each others dogs, and will call in a favor come Show time.

I also would go the UKC route. HAVE FUN with your dog!

by Sunsilver on 05 October 2009 - 23:10

Dawn, you can check Fred's website for details, but from what I understand, he put a notice on the public notice board at a show, asking someone to contact him about a dog. Someone had approached him about getting a puppy, and Fred knew of a breeder who had a suitable litter available, and Fred wanted to put the two of them in touch with each other. The AKC accused him of using his position as a judge to 'traffic in dogs'!

I'm trying to locate the relvant article to check my facts, but haven't found it yet...

Edit: found the details in an interview:

The AKC staff (field reps are under the thumb of two or three staff people in Raleigh, NC) and one AKC Board member... who hates my guts for exposing him, as well as for promoting the international (German) style dog... they have the power to keep me from judging AKC events. The thing that brought the strain to a head and got my license in AKC lifted was a sore loser at a big Rottie entry in 2000, and his employer (the dog's owner), who sic'd the field rep on me for leaving a note on the table asking breeders to contact me if they had a dog that would be suitable for a friend in another country. The staff at AKC, looking for any excuse to nail me for my critical magazine articles about their foibles, said I was "dealing in dogs". That's what you get for altruistically trying to help people, if your enemies are lying in wait to ambush you. It was like sentencing a person to life imprisonment for running a red light when no traffic was around. So my relationship with the AKC is an estranged one. But I am very busy judging for UKC and many foreign countries who are more concerned with expert opinions and judgments than in politics and venomous revenge.

www.therottweilerchronicle.com/trc8_lanting.htm

by dAWgESOME on 05 October 2009 - 23:10

In the September issue of "SHOWSIGHT" magazine Ralph (Sonny) Ambrosio & Mrs. Ginny (Virginia) Altman were interviewed for the Judging & Evaluating the German Shepherd feature. Theresa J Royer was interviwed for the "Breeders Perspective" portion of the aritcle.

It is too long for me to re-type the entire article but I'll see if I can get my scanner running and post it here. They don't specify german line dogs but there is a lot of emphisis on temperment and sick of seeing dogs strung up on tight leads & dragging their toes. Mrs. Altman does reference this YouTube video (sorry can't think of the dogs name but here is the link.....) www.youtube.com/watch and she spoke very favorably about it & he is a german line dog.

Sooooooo, again I say GO FOR IT!!!!!! Knock 'em dead. The breed needs it be a pioneer!

by Sunsilver on 05 October 2009 - 23:10

Dawgesome, that's Dingo vom Haus Gerro in the video.

by Rik on 06 October 2009 - 00:10

What got Fred banned was the note he posted looking for a dog for a friend.

What got him on the hit list goes quite a bit deeper.
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Here is as realistic a view of showing a GSD AKC as I can give you.

If you have a really nice dog, are able to train and present the dog as well as the pros, then you have a chance to do well in the all breed ring. The pro's are going to show up at most "majors" and like it or not, many of these people are good at what they do.

Speciality show, pretty much a waste of time unless you have a spectacular dog (as defined by the GSDCA) and a good handler. When I got out, top handlers were $125 - $150 + expenses for the adult classes. Extra for training if needed.

A 3 show weekend (away from home) is very close to $1000 a pop with hotel, travel etc + handler.

by VonIsengard on 06 October 2009 - 03:10

Several years ago a Christinen Brunnen bitch made BOB at the IKC in Chicago. I know VA Bobby vom Sigurdstrum had some AKC points, don't know if they ever finished him. I was told by someone who bred many AKC champions that I could probably finish my Rikkor daughter, she is very feminine, more angulated than my other German bitch, and one hell of a mover. I never bothered to try.

by windwalker18 on 06 October 2009 - 06:10

If a German Dog became successful in the AKC ring... and produced well with the lines currently being used... everyone would jump on the bandwagon... in 3 years time you'd have his sons bred to his daughters, and then their progeny bred to each other again. They have done it absolutely EVERY time a dog became popular... whether it was Lance of Fran-Jo or Stutgart's Sundance Kid or Hein von Richterbach or Bernd Von Kallengarten etc... every time a dog has produced winning progeny American Breeders inbreed on them til all the faults start coming out in the pups, and then that's what people remember of them. Seems that we are currently seeing a somewhat similar trend with the German Show lines, one I hope the SV will curb before it weakens the genetic pool as badly as it did in the US.

There's a few Kennels who showed Import dogs and bred to them, Winthea Kennel, Von Nassua, Covena, Totana (at one time) but by in large the dogs being shown are all kissin' cousins... with no outcross on the horizon to reach out to.

by dAWgESOME on 06 October 2009 - 13:10

Excellent point WW so hopefully a lesson can be learned from the past

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