Structure Critique - Page 4

Good response. Maybe I should have posed a tougher question; One dog has forelegs that are at a ratio of 45% of the dogs height, the other has a shoulder that is of correct length but set at 50 degrees and the other has an upperarm that is the correct lenght but set at 60 degrees. Place 1st  to 3rd?
Regarding the upperarm question. Putting aside specific breeding partners, their parentage and in general terms modern lines, short steep upperarm have  always been an issue in the breed. The length has improved more than the angle over recent years. The answer is therefore a relative one.
For interest, my observation is that in an historical sense using Siegers as a measure the first good length appeared with Dido v d Werther Konigshale in 1968 and good lengtht with good angle in 1973 with Gundo v Klosterbogen and consolidation in a breeding sense occurred in 1983 with Uran.
Both are hard to fix, harder to consolidate and difficult to perpetuate with consistency and when even when it is consolidated over many years because of its history within the breed both can dissapear very quickly.

Louis

Mr. Donald,

Very difficult one indeed but I can claim I know the answer, join me here please

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Ibrahim

 
  Hi Ibrahim,
  I like this thread, for I think it has contributed to my learning experience ,
  thank you for all the imputs.Thank you Ibrahim for your kind words.
  I always wondered if those who read my critique
  and the way I describe the various areas really knew how to analiase what was written.
  For some who request for  critiques,
  may not be able to participate in shows due to whatever reasons.

  As such I try to give a critique covering most important points in the dog.
  I could be wrong at times.For I comment as I see it.
 
  For what we like and what the Standard states may not be the same.
  the opinion and contribution of everyone is respected.

  To me Understanding the Standard and why it was written so is very important.
  As well as the demands made on the G S D, in the various activities.
  i e. Conformation, Schutzhund, P P , S A R ,etc.
 
  Louis, good to see your imputs,thank you.
 
  A croup situated on the dog,  to me is either ,
  correct, slighty steep with good length, slighty short with good lay or short & steep,slighty short & slighty steep.
  I'm guided by the standard, the proportions of the dog and the length of the back
  as i see them.
 
   The whole evaluation of the shoulder's angulation and the length & lay of the upper arm ,
   is based on correctly identifying the point of shoulder. Sometimes this is difficult due to a few reasons.
   If the point of shoulder is not identified correctly,the evaluation may not be correct.

   So how do we identify the point of shoulder?.

   And how do we identify,if a dog is standing strait in front or not ?

What a nice looking dog!  Stunning color and I love his coat. 
To my eye his front feet seem just a tad flat.

Because he is so dark and his coat so thick I would prefer to feel his structure with my hands before giving a critique.  But he seems to be a well-balanced dog, I really like his presence :)

As far as his head goes, I'm personally not a huge stickler to the planes of the head being so correct.  For me, if the head has a pleasing appearance, good expression, and there are secondary sex characteristics then thats good enough.   The head doesn't interfere with it's working ability (given that it has a correct bite and no weak jaw.)  To me, this dog's head has a pleasing appearance and good expression.  My personal preference would be for a head that was a lil heavier/stronger and more masculine.