THE POLITICS AT THE 2011 NASS - Page 4

No stick hits seen in that video just movement from the padded stick and it looks as if it never touched him And he almost stopped to bite on the small courage test Very poor grip, had he not done any bite work in a long while?

Watched it over and over He does not appear touched. Man thats some very soft helper work period

WRESTLEMAN & AUTOBAHN - THANK YOU FOR YOUR CRITIQUE I AM NOT GLOATING AND DO NOT WISH TO HARM EITHER HELPER'S REPUTATION HOWEVER FACTS ARE FACTS AND AS THE 2 POSTERS SAID " THE HELPERS HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME AND ARE VERY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO" PLEASE WATCH ALL THE BITEWORK VIDEOS AND MY COMMENTS WILL BE PROVEN

"i think an explanation is in order as to why i will not publish my true identity like most of you- i think it is fairly obvious but as a 9yr member of WDA who has many friends that may have been angered by my post i wish to in some cases stay anonymous and not lose friends in the WDA hierarchy and just as important do wish to face reprisals by the powerful people who rule this organization."

Perhaps if you aren't willing to stand behind your words, you shouldn't be saying them.

 It,s normal show dog work. I,m sure the helpers are competent in there work but they are guided by the judge. Attack on the handlers in a side ways runaway from the handler no stick hits. Courage tests coming to a dead stop or even a bit of a backup and no stick hit,s. It is what it is.


In all honesty if the helper work were consistent with the regulations the biggest percentage of the dogs at these event,s  would never engage the sleeve. The work of the helper is to "Test" the dogs strength,s and character.  It,s up to the judge to make sure there tested.


Thats why many good trial helpers won,t do these event,s because it goes against every thing there supposed to be doing.
    

Bob said it best, Shallow grips, dog almost came to a stop on the courage & the "attack" out of the blind. I think the helper did just that, HELPED. He did what was nessasary to "test" the dog. The dogs not very good on protection so a normal working helper would of shown that. Kudos to the helper for doing his job, shame on the sport for allowing that type of "protection".

I agree Bob.  It's so watered down it's embarrassing.  I won't even enter my SHOW LINE dog in the Sieger Show unless the "courage test" is altered to really test and show off a nice working dog.  Even a show line dog that DOES have decent protection work will not be showcased with this type of helperwork. I'm not slamming the helpers since I'm sure they know what they are doing and are instructed to work the dogs a certain way but I think that way has become a joke.  And people wonder why the show line scene gets criticized.... Now I do love show lines, I have one now as my "main" dog and will always have them but I don't really associate with that whole scene as much as I used to or would like to because there is just so much kennel-blindness and blindness to the fact that these dogs (many of which *are* capable of being trained better and performing at a higher level) are showcased in such a way that is such a low standard when you look at the breed as a whole.

My problem has little to do with politics--except for the corrupt new leadership of the WDA. I will not be renewing my membership. I had hoped to see the maleperformance tests. The website schedule had males being preceded by females. When I asked the reasoning for males going first, I was told that it would be unfair to the males to work after females in the event that a bitch had been in heat. My feeling is that a male unable to perform after a female in heat should not be entered in the show.

Steve House said that only a couple of males could bite--not including the one that bit him on the leg. Steve showed  me the bite woulds on his calf. Don't know the name of this dog.

The bitch whose performance impressed me the most was Honey. Congratualkations to Randy Brent and Kim Rall. Significantly, Honey is in whelp to Zambo.

"Steve House said that only a couple of males could bite--not including the one that bit him on the leg. Steve showed  me the bite woulds on his calf. Don't know the name of this dog."

I can't recall right off the top of my head which dog it was but I wrote it down in my catalog.  What was funny was that after Steve got bit, Carl was expecting it and blocked the dog with the sleeve after the out...and true to form, he went after Carl's leg as well!

Concerning Males - First.  The nose knows.