Sloping backlines and over angulation - Page 3

There's no real way to answer the question.  What one person considers overdone another considers just right another considers not enough.

I feel this bitch is just right...some of you will think she's way overdone.

Her motion and efficiency says she's right on target

That dog in Xeph's reply shows an excellent trot in terms of front reach and rear extension, I claim that is as best a trot gets and is what modern Show GSD breeders breed for and seek. In the trot the dog holds neck and head in perfect altitude, withers are high, back is firm and straight, no signs of structural faults. Based on modern GSD breeding goals, I claim that dog is a success.

But, and this is a big BUT, in my humble personal opinion, the dog is as overangulated as could be, hardly can you find a modern show GSD that is more overangulated than this one.
Who decides what is correct angulation and what isn't? what is the scale we should all base opinion on? Is the structure or temperament of a GSD a personal preference?

Ibrahim

One of my old friends

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For most breeders not interesting because he is to big 72 cm high and  42 kg  and not that showline build

I like his anatomy personal very agily atletic dog

Hips ellbows back 100  percent  he is also a great police dog in Wilmington Delaware

 

 

 

 

 

Uh, you can find dogs considerably more angulated than my bitch lol

She's one of the most moderate animals from my two litters, and people never like her as much as her more angulated siblings. 

 

Hell, much to my own surprise, people on this very forum (WL people at that!) preferred the most angulated puppy from my first litter over this girl.

Interesting, no?  Working these puppies on stock has shown me a lot about the or structure, and has had some influence on how I want to proceed with breeding 

 

“ Can anyone give an explanation as to why and how this development is beneficial to the breed as a working dog'


Any answer other than "It does not benefit the breed" is going to be lies.
That question is just like no matter how many times the question, 'can we live on the sun?' is asked, the answer is still 'No

 

Guys, if you follow standard ( I wonder how many of you even read the latest version of their own kennel club standard or the FCI one), then Xeph's dog, according to latest versions, is considered underangulated to pefectly angulated.
Our breed standards have become a silly joke.

FCI

Hindquarters
The position of hind legs is slightly backwards, whereby the hind
limbs are parallel to each other when seen from the rear. Upper leg
and lower leg are of approximately the same length and form an
angle of approx. 120°; the legs are strong and well-muscled.
The hocks are strongly developed and firm; the hind pastern stands
vertically under the hock.
The paws are closed, slightly arched; the pads are hard and of dark
colour; the nails are strong, arched and also of dark colour.

 

American Kennel Club (AKC)

Hindquarters: The whole assembly of the thigh, viewed from the side, is broad, with both upper and lower thigh well muscled, forming as nearly as possible a right angle. The upper thigh bone parallels the shoulder blade while the lower thigh bone parallels the upper arm. The metatarsus (the unit between the hock joint and the foot) is short, strong and tightly articulated. The dewclaws, if any, should be removed from the hind legs. Feet as in front. Coat: The ideal dog has a double coat of medium length. The outer coat should be as dense as possible, hair straight, harsh and lying close to the body. A slightly wavy outer coat, often of wiry texture, is permissible. The head, including the inner ear and foreface, and the legs and paws are covered with short hair, and the neck with longer and thicker hair. The rear of the forelegs and hind legs has somewhat longer hair extending to the pastern and hock, respectively. Faults in coat include soft, silky, too long outer coat, woolly, curly, and open coat. 

 

That is real nonsense

And according to the standard I have to follow (due to showing in AKC), my bitch is underangulated

Frustrating for sure

Yes AKC calls for a right angle of thigh bones (90 degrees), yours I think makes round 115-125, which is either perfect internationally or underangulated locally 

Welcome to my quandary LOL

Can't argue with her ability to work stock, though.

I wish she had a longer neck and a slightly stronger head, but that is nitpicking