Hey all, so I can across this, and what do you think?? - Page 3

Joanro-

Not sure what you meant by Paint Quarter Horse, they are either one, or the other. If you breed a Paint to a Quarter, even if it comes out solid(it would be called a Breeder's Stock Paint) it would still be a Paint. QH's occasionally have "cropouts" where the foal is with is born with the coloring of a paint, it would still be eligible to be registered with AQHA, but also APHA. Also, the location of white on a QH can determine if it can be dual registered with APHA, such as white markings on legs going above knee, etc. Solid colored Paints are not eligible to be registered with AQHA.

Confusing, I know :-)

"I know there were a lot of people who doubted Frankie was purebred, until the results of the genetic tests were made public"

Sunsilver not quite correct. A lot of people (including a very respected geneticist) doubted Frankie was purebred even after the genetic tests were made public. The heads are not right on the Panda's and the color palette is too similiar to a couple other herding breeds.

This has been discussed before so just a quick summary. The problem with the genetic tests were twofold. First they only tested Mom and Dad and said Frankie was a product of mom and dad and dad I believe it was had the "mutation" which produced Frankie. Problem they did no back test any other generations so it is not genetically proven that dad was who he was supposed to be. The suspicion among those of us who doubt the purity of the line is that a generation or two back there had been a fence jumper since as I noted the heads (and some body structures as well) are just a bit off. Can this happen and people not know - a resounding yes. A litter I am familiar with was an oops between a lab and a gsd. The owner easily could have  sold these dogs a purebred labs - there was not a speck of gsd evident in any of them. Now obviously she did not do that. All the owners well know that these are mutts so no breeding forward will happen. But take that scenario with a less honest person or even take it with a totally honest person who did not realize there had been a fence jumper.

The second problem is the scientists who did the testing were academics with no knowledge of GSD and the history of the breed and the colors and inheritance in the breed AND they were not dog breeders so I'm thinking lacked the practical knowledge of incidents as outlined above. If you do not consider any other possibilities then of course you will decide it's a mutation because what else could it be.

hntr, I remember the time before there was a Paint Horse registry. The Paint Horse has the Exact foundation as the quarter horse....it is symply a color. I said the Paint "Quarter horse" in order to differenciate from the National Show horse, which comes in the same color patterns as the Paint. The National Show horse was not originally pure bred since it is derived from crossing different breeds, rather than "CROP OUTS" from a single breed as is the "Paint" quarter horse. That is why I compared this gsd with a Paint quarter horse.
PS. Originally there was the Paint Stock Horse Assoc in 1960, maintaining foundation qh bloodlines.
At the same time there was the Amer Paint Quarter horse Assoc.
The two assoc. consolidated in mid sixties into The American Paint Horse Assoc. So there is the very same blood lines in the Paint as the quarter horse....that is why occasionally a solid will be born to a pair of Paints. I have one myself, have had him for fifteen years, he's seventeen now...born and registered a grullo, but changed to a flea bit grey with spider webs on his legs and white mane and tail. I had a bay tobiano for 27 years, (til he passed at 29 yrs) made my living performing with him for 15 years...Paint Horse journal saw him performing in OKC at the finals and did a story on him. So I know paint horses, and quarter horses :-)

Correct Joanro, did not mean to come across negatively :-)

I have a HUS gelding that I show AQHA with, as well as several Paints that are just trail riders.

Would love to see photos of your grullo that went to grey, I have a bay dun weanling out of a red dun/grullo cross, TONS of dun factor, haven't seen a bay dun like him before.

No problem, I didn't take it as neg....hard to tell on limited space where a person is coming from. :-)
I'll have to dig out snap shots of him, and get current pictures for you. Horse has a lot of athleticism....I put a good handle on him; flying changes down to every stride, halfpasses , march,two step, hesitated two step, Spanish high trot, slides, roll backs, passage. He was cold back and cinchy when I got him as a very green two year old....he had a reputation for bucking pretty bad, but I did a whole bunch of ground work/long lines, and took that out of him.He's always been cinchy tho, so a lot of walking while tightening the girth,then he was solid and never a problem to work.

Sorry, had to throw the panda chow into this one too. I found these to be too cute, esp the puppies. 

And, of course we know these are purebred chows.. Funny how many people think they are actual 'panda chows'.

Pasterns look too straight, IMHO, to be a PB GSD and the lack of any turn of stifle also gives me pause to think this could be a PB shepherd, even a panda shelpherd. The length of the hock is humungous for a pure bred GSD.  Either a photoshop or a definie mix, IMO.

It's so unbelievable the controversy that comes with the off coloring of these dogs.

   This dog was on another Facebook page, so I found the Frankie pedigree,(thanks SS), and posted it. I also linked someone elses dog with the same father line to it, and now, funny as it sounds,

   I am threatened with being sued for slander by this 'top notch' dog trainer.

I mean really...the colors are out there...or should I say, IN THERE....

I can't believe how hard it is for people to accept that these dogs DO exist!

Threatened with being sued?????? geez!

 

LOL- the panda chow really DOES look like a panda!! ROFL!