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by Slamdunc on 18 December 2013 - 17:12
Interesting thread, a lot of good topics. Could be broken down into several threads, IMO.
by fawndallas on 18 December 2013 - 20:12
Dummy Corner:
Would you call the dog below:
Potential for personal protection with the right trainer
Not enough confidence, will need a large amount of confidence work, but could get there for PP
Not enough confidence, will need minor amount of confidence work to get to PP
Not suitable for PP
Not enough info; "I need this...... to answer"
2 year old Male GSD
quietly sits back and watches everything and every move owner makes
will play tug and chase something if it moves, but does not seek out and easily backs down
will growl if stranger runs up to owner, might bark but rarely
barks if a stranger or strang animal comes up on property, no escalation just continual bark until told otherwise
If pushed by human during rough play, runs out of reach and watches, but no engagement or barking. Doesn't hide or tail tuck, just stays out of reach and may run to owner. It is obvious the dog does not like what is going on.
Would you call the dog below:
Potential for personal protection with the right trainer
Not enough confidence, will need a large amount of confidence work, but could get there for PP
Not enough confidence, will need minor amount of confidence work to get to PP
Not suitable for PP
Not enough info; "I need this...... to answer"
2 year old Male GSD
quietly sits back and watches everything and every move owner makes
will play tug and chase something if it moves, but does not seek out and easily backs down
will growl if stranger runs up to owner, might bark but rarely
barks if a stranger or strang animal comes up on property, no escalation just continual bark until told otherwise
If pushed by human during rough play, runs out of reach and watches, but no engagement or barking. Doesn't hide or tail tuck, just stays out of reach and may run to owner. It is obvious the dog does not like what is going on.
by Slamdunc on 18 December 2013 - 21:12
Based on the description provided: yes, needs more confidence.
No, not suitable for A PP dog.
No, not suitable for A PP dog.
by fawndallas on 18 December 2013 - 23:12
Suggestions for confidence building at this age?
by swingfield on 18 December 2013 - 23:12
Interesting topics !! I stopped in to say howdy Ibrahim !! I havent talked to you my friend in forever!
by EduCanine on 19 December 2013 - 01:12
Ok since this is dummy corner I have a question with behavior examples.
Male GSD, a year of bite work in a club. He defends with live bites on command on 3 occasions. The only difference is these live bites were on dogs, twice, and a horse, once. Otherwise he has very good control and "judgement" choosing not to bite on other similar occasions, or me telling him not to engage.
These bites were not prey oriented, nor territorial aggression. But actual situations where I needed help and asked for it. I think my dog would have responded similarly if asked to engage a person on command. What do you guys have to say?
Male GSD, a year of bite work in a club. He defends with live bites on command on 3 occasions. The only difference is these live bites were on dogs, twice, and a horse, once. Otherwise he has very good control and "judgement" choosing not to bite on other similar occasions, or me telling him not to engage.
These bites were not prey oriented, nor territorial aggression. But actual situations where I needed help and asked for it. I think my dog would have responded similarly if asked to engage a person on command. What do you guys have to say?
by Maxleia on 19 December 2013 - 01:12
I have a question:
When training with Max at different times and in different environments he bites differently.
For example, often when we train at night in the dark he is much more whole-hearted in his aggression. He will be harder to get to 'out' his grips will be fuller and he will care less what gear the helper is wearing. We did an exercise where we were attacked by a man with a flaming stick at night and I thought the guy was going to get killed he got hit so hard, then we do a long bite with a helper he knows running away in the middle of the day and he does it, just not with nearly as much aggression.
Max is 2.5 yrs old and got 290/300 in his PPD2 test, so he is a good dog (very sociable with people but quite dog-dominant) but if I can better understand why sometimes he is a beast and sometimes he is compliant if not as impressive then I can help him be a beast more often. My limited understanding would maybe be something like if his defense gets triggered brings his fight out more strongly, but I am a noob, I don't know. Thoughts?
When training with Max at different times and in different environments he bites differently.
For example, often when we train at night in the dark he is much more whole-hearted in his aggression. He will be harder to get to 'out' his grips will be fuller and he will care less what gear the helper is wearing. We did an exercise where we were attacked by a man with a flaming stick at night and I thought the guy was going to get killed he got hit so hard, then we do a long bite with a helper he knows running away in the middle of the day and he does it, just not with nearly as much aggression.
Max is 2.5 yrs old and got 290/300 in his PPD2 test, so he is a good dog (very sociable with people but quite dog-dominant) but if I can better understand why sometimes he is a beast and sometimes he is compliant if not as impressive then I can help him be a beast more often. My limited understanding would maybe be something like if his defense gets triggered brings his fight out more strongly, but I am a noob, I don't know. Thoughts?
by Ibrahim on 19 December 2013 - 02:12
Hi Swingfield, my good friend. I am fine, this year we had an early visitor, snow. Here is a rose especially for you.
My Dummy mates, you are all invited to stop by Dummy Corner, ask a question if you like, here we have some of the best to do the answering for you, or just say Hi and have a cup of hot fresh coffee
My Dummy mates, you are all invited to stop by Dummy Corner, ask a question if you like, here we have some of the best to do the answering for you, or just say Hi and have a cup of hot fresh coffee
by kitkat3478 on 19 December 2013 - 08:12
Ibrahim, let me tell you a little 'funny something' from the other night....
I think this goes to the genetics ....some here remember my charming X, GSLover123 , well he stopped here the other night, and I do live alone(with my dogs)...
Anyway, I put all my dogs out back when he came in, except 'Cookie', that's what I call my Bomber girl, so Chip came in, and first thing she did was get on the couch and get right between him and I.
He tried to hand me something out of the bag....he got bit, not hard, just enough to let him know he got and tried to come around to the other side of the coffee table, she flipped back behind me to the other side, she leaned out, and bit him again, and yes,of course I laughed and told he good girl.
I told him just sit in the other chair across the room, which he did.
She sat,right next to me front feet on the floor, rear on the couch. Did not take her eyes off of him.
When he sstood up to leave, you guessed it, bit again. And once again,she received high praise,
My grandkids can climb all over her....
My point being, I think she has the genettic make-up to be an intense protection dog, with NO formal training to bite!
Of course I do all my silly game playing with them where I cover myself, and go door to door, window to window knocking until I build up reactions that I want,
If someone comes to my house at night, I want my dogs to at least appear to be, ferocious beasts...
I think this goes to the genetics ....some here remember my charming X, GSLover123 , well he stopped here the other night, and I do live alone(with my dogs)...
Anyway, I put all my dogs out back when he came in, except 'Cookie', that's what I call my Bomber girl, so Chip came in, and first thing she did was get on the couch and get right between him and I.
He tried to hand me something out of the bag....he got bit, not hard, just enough to let him know he got and tried to come around to the other side of the coffee table, she flipped back behind me to the other side, she leaned out, and bit him again, and yes,of course I laughed and told he good girl.
I told him just sit in the other chair across the room, which he did.
She sat,right next to me front feet on the floor, rear on the couch. Did not take her eyes off of him.
When he sstood up to leave, you guessed it, bit again. And once again,she received high praise,
My grandkids can climb all over her....
My point being, I think she has the genettic make-up to be an intense protection dog, with NO formal training to bite!
Of course I do all my silly game playing with them where I cover myself, and go door to door, window to window knocking until I build up reactions that I want,
If someone comes to my house at night, I want my dogs to at least appear to be, ferocious beasts...
by kitkat3478 on 19 December 2013 - 08:12
SS- we always referred to those kind of 'bite one-;ite all' dogs as 'junk yard dogs'.
They seem to just happen. I had a male Chow once that was like that. He was born in my home,raised the same as his brothers and sisters and he would bite, anyone(but us),and anything.
He has to live on a chain, in a fence...go figure!
They seem to just happen. I had a male Chow once that was like that. He was born in my home,raised the same as his brothers and sisters and he would bite, anyone(but us),and anything.
He has to live on a chain, in a fence...go figure!
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