Irresponsible Breeding and no Ethics. - Page 3

I'm not really sure why you think I know who the original poster is. I wish I did! I wish they had the conviction to use their own name. But of course just like you, for some reason their dare not. 
 

I would also like to ask if wusvnfac would come forward with their true identity. It's only right, since "Sam Jarram" is thinking I or my mother is the author of the original post. 
I do believe people will think better of you if you did. 

The Alsatian Breed Campaign

We have been made aware of this thread and would like to bring your attention to the following:

Neither The Alsatian Breed Campaign (ABC) nor its officers have taken any part in the preceding statements or made any postings. The ABC is not associated with the National GSD Club and it, in turn, is not associated with the ABC. None of the postings here have any relevance to the ABC campaign, which has always stated that health is the highest priority for the dog.

The ABC regrets the intervention by Carole Spelman trying to link it to this thread but the ABC's position on health issues exceeds that of any of the GSD organisations in the UK, especially those issues that they refuse to address. It has no wish to indulge in addressing a crusade that is the result of her personal misfortune in losing 3 dogs to epilepsy.

The ABC will not make further comment here but it does give notice that any libel, slander or defamation against any individual representing the Campaign will become the subject of legal action. This may include false accusations of authorship of any posts here. It also extends to any breach of copyright of any works of the campaign and/or its officers, which includes any websites or constituents thereof, in any country which is a signatory to the Berne Convention.

Philip Kellingley
Alsatian Breed Campaign

OOOO..... cages most defo rattled!!!  I should 'watch out' the 'alias' Samjarram....  not good 'using' someones name in vane :( and on such a 'public site' too...
 

Also 'remember' being brought up in the 60's with an 'Alsation'.  I was later educated to understand that they are a shepherding dog from the country Germany !! now due to the world wars etc no one wanted to be asscociated with the germans? so hence the new name.  The 'breed' however is one in the same dog, be it whatever colour or coat type.  It is a shepherds dog from Germany??? Thus a German shepherd dog.    Like we have in 'our land' the 'welsh border collie' the 'old english sheepdog' the 'shetland sheepdog'  Why are peeps war ing about these things I will never understand.  Surely the 'dogs' home country should be the one we look to for what the dog should be???  Peoples preferences will always differ if we all liked the same thing it would be very boring life.  The health of any animal should be paramount when looking to produce future dogs???  for the sake of the animal itself and its owners.

ROFL.......Philip get your facts right........u r incorrect re 3 animals with epilepsy.??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Perhaps u,d better check your records from the posts of mine u conveniently deleted from the ABC.community fb.page n check wot i wrote.By the way all vet documentation on these siblings is with the GSD health corodinators as is one other gsd of mine who has an inherited condition,as is those records of 2 epileptic alsatians which belonged to a friend of yours.Still pot calling kettle.By the way  mine have been made public to the gsd fraternity ,BC n the health coordinators n none of these animals have ever been mated.It aint a crime to produce an affected gsd but imho.it is to breed from one.Carole Spelman Rheinmeister gsds uk.

Speaking of breeding from dogs affected by one or other of the leading
health concerns,  posters who followed this thred back in August
when it first got started - and thus saw some of the stuff subsequently
removed by the mods - may recall that there was a report of a certain
litter about to be bred from a dog with an extremely high Hip Score.

Other members joined this thred to rubbish that report;  this mating
was NOT planned, would not happen, people were indulging in scandalous
​accusations,  yada yada yada.

Well - it has happened.   If you want details, PM me.  I'd list them here, but
the admin crew will only delete them again, probably.

Linda Swift.

Hundmutter, the admins won't delete it if you've got proof of the mating and/or birth of the litter...which seems a reasonable thing to request, IMO.

The UK Kennel Club record of it won't be available until they publish
the Winter quarter.   It is apparently already listed on 'MyKC'  (but
one needs membership of that site to use their records).  So as I
cannot yet point anyone, simply,  at the official records, I thought it best
to phrase it that way, Hexe.

Agree, would be a reasonable request !


I do know how many of each sex, colours of pups, DOB, etc  -  and
the names n owners n hip scores of the dog and bitch,  [ confirming those latter details
which were given by the OP at the start of this thred ].  


Aware this may be a 'bigger deal' to us here in England than to many observers
in the States.  It behoves the bigger breeders/exhibitors here to set a good example,
and the Show Scene is fairly strict on using good hips to breed from  partly because
our Kennel Club had been tardy about the benefit to the breed.  We still have our
BYBs who don't give a flying f**k, but most GSD enthusiasts here would prefer not
to see well-known and prolifically producing kennels, on either side of the Germanic /
Alsatian 'fence', flout the principle.

 

Well,well.....so the truth has finally come out,as i knew it would.Why on earth the alias Sam Jarram denied this mating ever took place is beyond me......surely u knew the breeder would be keeping a puppy from this liason to show n so would have to be KC regd.or did u think ppl.wouldnt remember this sorry state of affairs.U alias Sam Jarram have been proved to be a LIAR n in the process have drawn both the breeder n stud dog owner into the affray.I hope they have had serious words with u,as u have brought their INTEGRITY ,into the equation by your words.I do NOT CONDONE  the breeding of an animal with such a high hip score ,even to one with a very low one,unless there are extremely low swcores thru.out both animals pedigree n i dont mean just the 1st 5 generations either.Now b4 any of the ABCers rush off to check my animals hip scores(not bred any gsds since elbow scoring became the norm)i will advise that my 1st gsd females sire was scored but NOT her dam.All mine have been hip scored apart from those i had no intention of breeding from.My present girl Chiki isnt hip/elbow scored as i had personal problems which meant i never got round to it ,n then as she got too old for a 1st litter i decided against both,as tbh.showing is wot i enjoy the most,tho. i dont scimp either in care/finances on my litters.Carole S.