WDA -- more illegal actions - Page 3

round and round we go...where we stop....who cares:-)

Working line folk in particular should pay attention to these things. You may think this just affects show people but apathy in this area is how the breed has gotten out of your grasp.

Dog1, I am not referring to adults entered into shows having false titles, I was referring to young dogs/puppies who's parents are being listed as titled in the show catalog who in fact are not, and unfortunately with being allowed to enter a baby puppy without any supporting paperwork it is able to be done. I have a young dog with an untitled mother, and it is listed as such in every show she goes in. Also, prior to the working class you only have to show your AKC paperwork on an American bred dog, which doesn't show the parents titles anyways. I know that the adults have to have supporting paperwork and it is verified and researched etc. I'm talking strictly about young dogs. On the other hand breeders are able to lie about titles and certifications in their breeding adults when dealing with the public, because they can put anything they want to on a website, this was the other half of what I was referring to, sorry if that wasn't clear. There is a breeder that has had multiple litters with a dog that I verified with the SV to have no titles and no hip or elbow certifications. The reason I even checked was because I knew the dog and in fact had referred a client the year prior to purchase the untitled, uncertified 2 year old male who was for sale for $1,500. He returned the dog soon after because the x-rays were terrible, and as far as I know is still waiting for a refund on the dog two years later. Needless to say I no longer refer to this breeder/trainer. So a year later I see the dog listed as the sire of a litter and listed as HD/ED a-normal, and SchH3 titled. With no trial results anywhere in our state, and this person trials their own dogs. So I checked with the SV and they have no record of the dog at all. And another year later, and multiple litters later, I checked just today the ZW database, dog still not listed. And unfortunately that is only one of a handful I have knowledge of. I just see no reason to lie to the public about this type of thing, but alas it's all about the $$$ for some.

What other breeders do with their website is beyond the WDA control. No ned to discuss it here and make it sound like someone is not doing their job.

Unverified titles in the puppy classes? Who cares. It's already too much to enter a puppy. It's a puppy. Nobody looks at that stuff in the ring. It's just a puppy in the puppy class. The breed looses way more to the complications of entering a puppy or young dog than it does by some unidentified breeder listing a parent as titled or breed surveyed.

There's way more bad information and crooks out there than the WDA could ever police. Don't penalize the majority by what the minority may/may not be doing. There are crooks and dishonest people everywhere. Those that deal with them will learn their lesson. No need to make everyone else pay for it.

In order to show an American bred dog in the working class at a WDA show you must provide the original registration, 4 generation pedigree, tattoo/microchip certification, SV hip certification, SV elbow certification, scorebook with a working title, Breed survey and proof of rabies vaccine. It would be nice to know who this breeder is that is claiming titles not earned. These are great topics for another thread.

In order to show in an AMERICAN bred dog in working class at WDA you must have a SV hip/elbow certification.....what about OFA or penn hip? IMNSHO, that is the problem with the system...why must you depend on the SV when the US has there own registry?

I understand it is out of their control, never said their websites should or could be patrolled by WDA, that would be ridiculous. I am not penalizing anyone, or accusing anyone of not doing their job, if you read my prior posts I said that it would be a super complicated and involved process to even try to implement a system to verify those types of things at every little show. And I didn't say I expected anyone should be doing it, in fact I said we could make it really simple by everyone just telling the truth about their dogs. And I do care if someone is lying about the parents of a puppy that is entered, or a young class dog, because why should I even bother titling my breeding dogs if I can just write in titles when entering puppies at shows. I spend thousands of dollars and time so that my puppies parents are titled, but some idiot just writes them in? So yeah, I have a right to be irritated about that, but I never said I held the WDA responsible. I have no issue with WDA at all, in fact I am on a sub comittee right now, and I know how much work is involved, it's insane. My concern has nothing to do with WDA, and sorry if this is on the wrong thread, it just sort of happened this way. I just get frustrated with people complaining about things that personally I don't think are as important, like what type of secretary is listed or not listed, when there are bigger and better things to be concerned about, like the health of our breed, and the bad name it gets from the breeders that lie about titles or certifications. Because the thing is Randy, today they lie about a title on a puppy's parent, and it makes it easier for the next lie to come, and then it moves into the health of the dog when they decide to just not x-ray and just write what they want on their website. I am more for educating the public than just letting them "learn their lesson", if I can guide someone with what to look for, even if I never talk to them and they just get educated from what I put on my website, then hopefully I can help one more family avoid potential heartbreak with their dog. But then again, maybe I just care too much about people I haven't even met yet. ~ Barbie

Judron55, I amend my previous post, an OFA hip certification is good enough, an SV elbow certification is much harder to pass than an OFA

What makes an SV elbow certification harder than an OFA 1? Are there different requirements?

The reason that the SV does not accept OFA elbows is that OFA only gives a pass/fail result whereas the SV grades elbows the same as hips with multiple ratings.  I'm not sure that it is more difficult to pass with the SV but if you want to do a breed survey with an SV judge then you have to have the SV rating for elbows. The SV will accept OFA hips because they have multiple gradings much the same as the SV does but not elbows.