Good nerves? - Page 3

And yes, points are a reward to you, not your dog. Unless it gets him more breedings. Give your dog his scorebook. Let me know what he thinks.

All things except the grip.....I thought that was obvious....lol. It goes into the whole culture of sport scoring and the values placed on different aspects by the judge. I look for things that can't always be seen by the naked eye when evaluating a dogs performance. Most evaluate the training they witness, I look for core of the dog. For this forum, I will agree with you though and admit if one has full grips and the other has 3/4 grips then they obviously aren't equal.

I'd rather get a 59 in protection because my dog was powerful, fighting, and had 3 commands to out (or not out!), than a 99 with a dog that is compliant and bites/fights/outs as if he doesnt want to be in the situation. Thats just me.

I am not a fan of a dog biting and hanging on like luggage.  A perp can quickly gut such "luggage" with his free hand, in the real world. 

I like a dog who can fight and bite multiple times if needed....whatever it takes to put the fear of god in the perp.  Of course in the sporting field, such a dog would be washed out, while the "luggage hanging on" would win kudos......reason why I am not a sporting dog fan.

What's the term "washed out" mean...used frequently on this forum.

I've often thought about the rote grip training in sport that plausibly could foster the 'luggage' effect as posed by aaykay.  Meaning the vulnerable state a dog hypothetically can get itself in to if too focused on retaining a specific hold even though this hold may not be sufficiently debilitating to a suspect in a real scenario.  Like someone impervious due to intoxication or simply willing to fight and kill the dog in close quarters before the handler can get into the mix/dog operating solo.

Can a dog be trained - does the instinct exist - to tactically regrip on it's own based on the target's actions/reactions? For ex., hitting the arm that holds the weapon, even the weapon is passed, or shifting over to a target area to inflict more damage and shut down the threat faster, like the groin, abdomen, throat, face etc. 


 

I get tickled reading some of these threads at times.  The dog Ivo in the video's is a really nice dog and has been trained in tactical type training where they discourage a dog from barking and I can assure you if this dog was to bite you without the suit you would do nothing but scream like a bitch and hope that the handler got him off of you as fast as he could.
If all things were equal between two dogs except one typically bites with 3/4 grip and the other bites with full grip we would all want the dog that bites with natural full grip. (Generally it's a much stronger bite)
I for one would much rather have a dog that looks to take his bite deeper than one who is content to stay with a half ass bite. IMO dogs that shift their bites generally are just about ready to leave the fight, and when really pressed will do so. 
I think a dog who is always trying to go deeper with his bite is more secure with being in the fight than a dog who thrashes around is, but thats just my opinion. 

 

Cool.  What about thrashing on a full grip?

TDC please add "Connie " pics for effect :)  I can never see photos of her working enough :)

Brynjulf - Join Connie's FB page (well, it's not just hers)- there are several awesome shots of her working (even a tracking one)!
Congratulations on Connie's upcoming litter. :)

Laura
(who realizes she sounds like a creepy FB stalker but really isn't one)