Opinions on Possible future breeding - Page 3

I am not breeding based on paper and pedigrees, I am breeding based on several dogs that have demonstrated to reproduce the qualities I want. I love the physical on the ground characteristcs of my female, she is a worker, a lover and a pleaser all in one dog. She lights up when it is time to work whether it is bitework or obedience. She is awesome in the house and is awesome with kids. When you have generations of champions, and strong producers why not use them. I am trying to tighten up the pool to get the traits I want. I will then take a puppie from this litter and then do an outcross.

Exactly, EisenFaust. Good luck.

The reality is people breed the way they want, and that's as it should be.
Just don't claim to be improving the breed, that's utter none sense.

 I am not trying to improve the breed as a whole because their is only one of me and 1000 of backyard breeders. Now I am looking for superior females that have strong pedigrees, high health standars but most importantly they themselves must be able to perform. So then I find a male that will be of equal or greater quality in order to increase my chances of producing healthy puppies that can work and can be good pets. Not pets that can work, to me there is a difference.

I don't understand why breeders shouldn't have a goal of improving the breed.

Because, Blitzen. Everyone is so damned negative that they think anyone who would dare attempt such a thing must be some sort of egomaniac with delusions of grandeur. 

I don't see why anyone would do a single breeding if they didn't think it would improve something. 

I assure you that intelligence, health and temperament and MORE are very much important components in my selection process.  I'm quite familiar with what makes a good herding dog as well.  But, you'll never catch me claiming to improve "the breed" with what I produce, because I'm aware of the limitations of what my influence is now, or ever could be.  Sharing my rationale on public forum will have a far greater impact on german shepherd breeding than everthing I'm able to produce on the ground ever will.  But I would welcome you to come see my dogs, learn my philosophy, THEN explain how your expectations fall short.

im back tooooo late , blitzen said it all , good view on things , outcrossing all the way is really what causes problems
as far as understanding linebreeding eisenfaust , your puppy can be linebred on paper but be a genetic outcross , in the words  of ronny van den berge ,, Eros is a mothertypical bitch , now one can assume that if a dog displays looks and caractertraits of his mother he will also geneticly be more mothertypical , and pass on more mothertypical traits , where elluteCAN be more Tomlike dog , I think without debating qualities of either dog , ellute is the better producer of them two

the line of champions eisenfaust mentions wont help the breeding 1 %  as that is mostly ronnys and his teams work , and he for sure isnt going to train your pups ,

so I would call this breeding no closer than a 3-3  on Tom , which isnot bad in itself , anf final outcome very much depends on quality of the actual dogs used for breeding

Improving the breed sounds so lofty but the reality is you can only improve what you have according to your idea of improvement.
The breed as a whole is not something that can be controlled as a whole.
Unless there are rigid standards and breed wardens who police the breeding of every animal which will never happen.
Yes most who take it seriously hope to make improvements, but everyone's in such a hurry and money is involved so I remain dubious as to what's really being accomplished.

@ tdc ,ON PAPER, to me , according how to I see things that is a very good buildup in linebreeding , doubling up on qualitydog where other halfs of pedigree are mosly different , also the other halfs will(on paper) both bring in something extra seriousness , so avoid to make it a too much sport/sport combination , as that is a big problem IMO  on most breedings nowadays, the are too much sport/points on both sides of the pedigree


this combination will probably throw some problems this line is known for , but if they go to good homes and you continue with the best , you have something interesting here IMO