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by Ruger1 on 15 October 2010 - 20:10
I would like to feed raw, but I am confused about supplements ( vitamins and minerals ) and bones ( chicken bones etc. getting stuck in the throat ...???).....
Deanna...: )
by uvw on 16 October 2010 - 06:10
Deanna - If your'e feeding a good variety of proteins and parts, you will not need any extra vitamins or minerals. And most bones are perfectly fine for dogs to eat as long as they are raw.
It's a little overwhelming at first, but once you understand the basic information and start to get the hang of it, feeding raw is just as easy as scooping crap out of a bag.
If you need some more help, please feel free to email me and I can help you figure out what would work well for you and your dog, as well as give you some info on switching, starting, general feeding, and balancing, etc.
You'll love the results!
Sincerely,
Donna
contact@rawbasicsllc.com
ps - I don't charge for emails, questions, or consults, lol. Email is just easier for me since I don't log on to this site often ;)
It's a little overwhelming at first, but once you understand the basic information and start to get the hang of it, feeding raw is just as easy as scooping crap out of a bag.
If you need some more help, please feel free to email me and I can help you figure out what would work well for you and your dog, as well as give you some info on switching, starting, general feeding, and balancing, etc.
You'll love the results!
Sincerely,
Donna
contact@rawbasicsllc.com
ps - I don't charge for emails, questions, or consults, lol. Email is just easier for me since I don't log on to this site often ;)
by uvw on 16 October 2010 - 06:10
Ahh...correction: there is one supplement that I recommend to any and everyone. Omega 3.
This is because unless you are able to feed all wild game or 100% grass-fed/pastured animals, your meat source will ALWAYS be deficient in Omega 3. (It's all that grain that we're killing our cows and chickens with.)
I personally use and recommend:
Nordic Naturals - they have a few different oils/capsules for Omega 3, great quality, also have a fantastic cod liver oil (should be used infrequently and sparingly, I typically use it in the winter if at all).
Iceland Pure - great quality oils in a metal bottle with a pump, they have salmon oil, but what I love is the sardine/anchovy oil. Some dogs build an intolerance to salmon oil, and they will either show symptoms of "allergies" or they will lose small patches of hair (or thinning hair)....the sardine/anchovy oil is fantastic for those dogs, and is also higher in Omega 3.
This is because unless you are able to feed all wild game or 100% grass-fed/pastured animals, your meat source will ALWAYS be deficient in Omega 3. (It's all that grain that we're killing our cows and chickens with.)
I personally use and recommend:
Nordic Naturals - they have a few different oils/capsules for Omega 3, great quality, also have a fantastic cod liver oil (should be used infrequently and sparingly, I typically use it in the winter if at all).
Iceland Pure - great quality oils in a metal bottle with a pump, they have salmon oil, but what I love is the sardine/anchovy oil. Some dogs build an intolerance to salmon oil, and they will either show symptoms of "allergies" or they will lose small patches of hair (or thinning hair)....the sardine/anchovy oil is fantastic for those dogs, and is also higher in Omega 3.
by Ibrahim on 16 October 2010 - 11:10
I have a question
Which is better t o feed cocked meat, chicken etc or raw and why?
Ibrahim
Which is better t o feed cocked meat, chicken etc or raw and why?
Ibrahim
by Pharaoh on 17 October 2010 - 02:10
Hi Ibrahim,
If you are going the cooked route, you need to put some serious effort into researching the diet. There are books that people use for home cooked dog food. Personally, it sounds like too much work and I don't know anything about it. You could start a thread about home cooked meals for your dog.
The mainstay of Pharaoh's diet is chicken. I buy drumsticks and thighs when it is on sale. I buy whole chicken when it is on sale and cut it into 4 pieces. I cut off the white meat chicken breast meat and freeze it for me! Then I cook it with vegetables and rice-humans are not designed to eat raw food. We have a very long digestive tract whereas dogs have a short digestive tract-just like a predator. They also have really strong stomach acid in nature and when they eat raw, it becomes stronger and stronger. That is how they kill off the bacteria etc.
I also give him a green tripe blend of tripe, muscle meat, organ meat and chopped up bone. This is the company I buy it from and it gives you the idea of what they are doing (they probably don't ship to the middle east). greentripe.com
Also, this company has lots of information on their website, very informative. www.excelk9diet.com/home.htm
Both companies are truly kind, helpful people. They would be happy to help you get started. When they started, they had to figure it all out and deal directly with slaughter houses and butchers.
Raw chicken bones are very edible for dogs, they crush it and it cleans their teeth and gives them the proper balance of calcium, phosphorus and other minerals. If you feed the meat on the bone, like chicken quarters, there is nothing to figure out. If you feed plain meat then you have to figure it out. If the dog has loose stools, to much meat and too little bone. If the stool comes out like a dry rock, too much bone.
The small stool from a raw fed dog left on the ground, will not smell and it turns white, like bone meal, which is good for the soil.
Hope this is helpful.
Michele
If you are going the cooked route, you need to put some serious effort into researching the diet. There are books that people use for home cooked dog food. Personally, it sounds like too much work and I don't know anything about it. You could start a thread about home cooked meals for your dog.
The mainstay of Pharaoh's diet is chicken. I buy drumsticks and thighs when it is on sale. I buy whole chicken when it is on sale and cut it into 4 pieces. I cut off the white meat chicken breast meat and freeze it for me! Then I cook it with vegetables and rice-humans are not designed to eat raw food. We have a very long digestive tract whereas dogs have a short digestive tract-just like a predator. They also have really strong stomach acid in nature and when they eat raw, it becomes stronger and stronger. That is how they kill off the bacteria etc.
I also give him a green tripe blend of tripe, muscle meat, organ meat and chopped up bone. This is the company I buy it from and it gives you the idea of what they are doing (they probably don't ship to the middle east). greentripe.com
Also, this company has lots of information on their website, very informative. www.excelk9diet.com/home.htm
Both companies are truly kind, helpful people. They would be happy to help you get started. When they started, they had to figure it all out and deal directly with slaughter houses and butchers.
Raw chicken bones are very edible for dogs, they crush it and it cleans their teeth and gives them the proper balance of calcium, phosphorus and other minerals. If you feed the meat on the bone, like chicken quarters, there is nothing to figure out. If you feed plain meat then you have to figure it out. If the dog has loose stools, to much meat and too little bone. If the stool comes out like a dry rock, too much bone.
The small stool from a raw fed dog left on the ground, will not smell and it turns white, like bone meal, which is good for the soil.
Hope this is helpful.
Michele
by Platz752 on 17 October 2010 - 02:10
by Jacko on 17 October 2010 - 04:10
i am not going to take on the article piece by piece. However, I will stick to raw. I am not feeding the barf diet. but i have been in the raw dog food business, you see the results and for my money and hip x rays it is the best. I know a breeder with over 200 litters on raw and have seen quite a few of the xrays.
as for the scare tacticts of "germs" if you cant take care of your dogs food, don't cook yourself a hamburger.
to each his own. I have videos and many articles to dispute all these claims. I will let everyone make their own decision.
as for the scare tacticts of "germs" if you cant take care of your dogs food, don't cook yourself a hamburger.
to each his own. I have videos and many articles to dispute all these claims. I will let everyone make their own decision.
by Ibrahim on 17 October 2010 - 07:10
Wow, Michele and as a matter of fact many on this post, I envy your knowledge, fantastic info and explanation.
Ibrahim
Ibrahim
by hutch on 18 October 2010 - 12:10
I feed raw and swear by it but would be interested to know what raw feed helps promote muscle development most - I understand that excercise is the key but does anyone feel that a particular type of raw feed is good whilst trying to develop / maintain muscle development?
Thanks!
Thanks!
by Pharaoh on 18 October 2010 - 18:10
Some people who want to be cautious, will change a few things thinking they are on the safe side.
A dangerous modification to raw diet is, I'll just cook this chicken leg a little to be on the safe side.
That is the worst thing you can do. Cooked bones become hard and brittle as they lose moisture from the cooking, allowing them to shatter into sharp, pointy shards that could slit your dogs throat. It would be like swallowing knives.
Another thing people do to be on the safe side is to put a glob of ground meat on top of their kibble, especially dry kibble.
This could end up in a very upset tummy and diarrhea.
There are many styles of raw feeding. One thing is constant, raw meat and bone must be in balance. If you feed a commerically prepared raw feed, they grind raw bone and it is part of the mix. If you give your dog chicken leg quarters, it is balanced as it is.
I could be described as a nervous raw feeder, I am constantly adjusting what I do. Sometimes I give a cup of TOTW soaked in 1/2 cup of warm water. Then I might go for months with no kibble at all. Then, one day I might not have enough fresh meat or it is not defrosted yet. The soaked kibble will round out the calories needed.
I am not an expert, but I have been feeding raw since 1999.
Michele
A dangerous modification to raw diet is, I'll just cook this chicken leg a little to be on the safe side.
That is the worst thing you can do. Cooked bones become hard and brittle as they lose moisture from the cooking, allowing them to shatter into sharp, pointy shards that could slit your dogs throat. It would be like swallowing knives.
Another thing people do to be on the safe side is to put a glob of ground meat on top of their kibble, especially dry kibble.
This could end up in a very upset tummy and diarrhea.
There are many styles of raw feeding. One thing is constant, raw meat and bone must be in balance. If you feed a commerically prepared raw feed, they grind raw bone and it is part of the mix. If you give your dog chicken leg quarters, it is balanced as it is.
I could be described as a nervous raw feeder, I am constantly adjusting what I do. Sometimes I give a cup of TOTW soaked in 1/2 cup of warm water. Then I might go for months with no kibble at all. Then, one day I might not have enough fresh meat or it is not defrosted yet. The soaked kibble will round out the calories needed.
I am not an expert, but I have been feeding raw since 1999.
Michele
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