zidane h sevens - Page 3

That is just it everyone says the hips on offapring are bad ,were are those dogs? If you have not seen them why say it is the problem I have. Let me see what has been said about Zidane since he arrived??? Mind you not from Europe but people over here who have never seen the dog...bad breeder, bad hips, no teeth, soft, too hard, handler aggressive, dog aggressive, broken back, crazy, total sport dog, too civil, low drives, too drivey, not a good pet, ...Johnny Degens ask me when he was here " Marlene why did you switch dog that I sent you, who are the americans talking about not Zidane" Yes the americans love to talk what can I say there are so may authorites on Zidane here it is amazing to me! This may be a shock to everyone as well I do not care if anyone breeds to Zidane. many good dogs come over and the breeding circus begins every AKC shepherd that can stand on two legs, and several years later the dog has a terrible reputation of throwing bad dogs and I wonder why. As far as it being too soon to see his offapring just take a look in Europe, The Belgium Nationals, next years WUSV team, many dogs from Zidane are super and he is throwing super here for me and the few people I have breed to, you know why I chose Zidane over many top dogs at the time not his grip, power, WUSV scores nothing to do with the podium scene but what I saw in his puppies what he produces is his best quality. I had imported puppies from him all no matter who the female was they had rock solid nerves, well balanced drives and excellent temperament. I am not saying every dog from Zidane will be perfect he will have his share of disappointments this is breeding but so far the odds are in his favor. He had 37 bredings and I am sure some bad hips were produced he is a shepherd and he was breed to another shepherd. Before I had Zidane I was breeding well to other outside studs no discussion on AlabamaK9 was ever talked about now that I have what I feel like is a World Class producer it is open season.

"now that I have what I feel like is a World Class producer it is open season.>>> Don't worry about it, Marlene, sounds like some people are just Jealous. But you are right there does seem to be an unlimited amount of authorities on Zidane out there. <<<"Love his motherline Randa vom Haus sevens", "a motherline that produces over and over National Level and World level competitors with different stud dogs">>. That is very interesting. True, Randa has produced some very good dogs with different studs. We tend to forget the motherline. Uwe

Uwe, That is what they say the motherline is were he gets his grips, temperament and head from. Did you ever see Magbert in person when he was here. Marlene

AlabamaK9, I too consider Zidane a world class producer. As you said there are going to be some health problems with breeding German Shepherds. Zidane is no different than any other German Shepherd, you will have bad hips and elbows with breeding him because you will have to use a female to produce puppies and there will be times when there are a pup or two with bad hips and elbows. That is ok it is to be expected. I am also looking for a young Zidane bitch as I mentioned in my top stud dog posting he is a quality stud and should be used. dcgoot

Wardawg,I do not need to explain anything with you, you do not own zidane, I explain this with alabamak9 0nly. dcgoot

It's ok, baby. I didn't expect an answer.

<> Marlene, Yes I did, when Darryl was out here with him. He's a lot of dog LOL. We have a Magbert son in our club. Very very Handler hard, not aggressive, just hard. Prong, elect, etc. nothing makes him so much as blink. He has very strong grips. The only thing I don't like is he's a bit independent and the handler has had A LOT of patience with him to make SchH1 and to try for his SCH2 by the end of the year. We also have a Randa Haus sevens Grddaughter in our club. She is also very strong dog, very strong calm grips and doesn't come into the blind to play, if you know what I mean. Her Obedience is very focused. I had a few yaers back a Randa son out of Tom. Very serious dog. Very handler Hard. Very powerful bite. He was 100 pounds when in shape. He would fool the helpers with his size as he was also very very fast for his size LOL. So the Randa Progeny is definitely something to admire. But I will say that these type of dogs are dificult to work so they are not for everyone. One must be carefull who they place them with in order for these dogs to reach their full potential. Uwe

""AlabamaK9 Wrote" ""As far as it being too soon to see his offapring just take a look in Europe, The Belgium Nationals, next years WUSV team, many dogs from Zidane are super and he is throwing super here for me and the few people I have breed to, you know why I chose Zidane over many top dogs at the time not his grip, power, WUSV scores nothing to do with the podium scene but what I saw in his puppies what he produces is his best quality."" :-) That was a long sentence.. :-) Actually what I said and ment was: Zidane is still young and it is still yet to be seen how he will produce himself best. When I say how, I am thinking where he is going to show his best qualities in generations to come. 1st gen, 2nd gen fatherline (top/bottom) or will be show his best through the motherlines etc etc. He is still very young as far as stud dogs go. The Z-litter vom haus Sevens is for sure a very good breeding and has many dogs contributing to the gene pool. We will see what they will stamp on the GSD breed in the years to come. Gotta love the Randa vh sevens kids out there... ;-)

I heard that Olex is in the US, is this true? If so where, I am considering a puppy out of him. Thanks JJVSO

Uwe, Sounds like Zidane a hard dog to work, nothing phases him e-collar/prong and independant. Zidane has a air about him when I first got him from the airport he took over like he was letting me live here he has a air about him I have never seen in any dog I have had. Aloof is not strong enough a word. I do not see how Johnny got him to do so well knowing his tmeperament in obedience. He does not miss anything when trying to trick him in to obedience you cannot fake him like some dogs. If you do not have a ball he knows it. If you try and sneak and get a ball and his back is turned he still knows you have one and is coming at 120 miles an hour almost scares you he cannot be fooled on anything. I tried hiding things in places out of reach on top shelfs over the washer/dryer he flat foots jumps up as soon as he enters the house and gets it like he was the one who placed it there. His intellegence amazes me and flusters me all in the same. My friend Carol says he loves me not sure about that he seems to need no one to run his program a arrogant creature this Zidane. He has a presence about him that everyone notices first about him. Hundguy, You are correct I am looking thru puppies trying to find a Zidane so far he produces best with my Zora the others are great but the click between the two of them is obvious in the offspring..the young dog Orville saw was from this breeding as well..another female we have Uta a good producer her self a Nessel daughter the pups from that breeding super, super and the lady who posted above talking about the 12 week old has one. He did not produce well with Molly that is why she is gone. The females are so important no dog no matter how great they are cannot do it on their own. Bpworks yes you are right as well bound to have a few bad hips/elbows any dog breed enough will have this so far so good is all I can see and say at this point. The main thing is people have said bad hips over and over no evidence, then when you confront them what dogs have you seeen or know about from him they come up with none then they refer to Magbert as bad hips but Magbert is not Zidane. Zidane has to be judged on what he produces not Magbert. We had a dog here and his ZW was like 67 or something he produced bad hips with a OFA good female so it does happen it is bound to happen at some point to any dog breed a lot male or female.