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by Shtal on 22 May 2010 - 03:05
Only show line will never do the same kind of work as true working line GSD's, but show line is worthy dog as well..........
by Gustav on 22 May 2010 - 12:05
by Rik on 22 May 2010 - 13:05
Trying to get past the genetic land mines you didn't know about is difficult enough.
Of course, these things don't matter to anyone only interested in selling to a pet market.
Hope this helps,
Rik
by charlie319 on 23 May 2010 - 02:05
Also, not every GSD is going to be a working or show dog. This past week, I was in a local hospital and had the privilege of taking out for a walk the seeing-eye-dog of a patient in a neighboring room. After taking the dog for his scheduled relief, I spoke with the owner for a bit. Even such a dog, was primarily viewed as a companion by his owner. My point is that sometimes being a pet may be one of the most important functions of a GSD, yet many breeders overlook this.
Gustav gets it right. It is not the exterior of the dog that is the most important, but the Temperament component. Royal does need to be more abundant on what he has and what he wants to achieve in a GSD and maybe realize that he may be embarking on a mission hat will take years and several generations of GSD's to achieve.
After all, as stewards of the breed, one of our duties is to promote responsible ownership of GSD's and to educate these owners and prospective breeders so the breed can recover its preeminent place. Helping them to make solid choices in breeding (including spay/neuter recommendations) to avoid having dogs in the market that are unable to do a job, or even be reliable even as companions, may well be part of it.
by Shtal on 23 May 2010 - 03:05
Royal1 has a nice female that meets the standard, he needs help for guidance; like myself once I needed help, but I was different......
by Gustav on 23 May 2010 - 13:05
by VKFGSD on 23 May 2010 - 15:05
Charlie, You state "If he's likely ot breed his female, would it not be better if we gave him the benefit of our opinion and guided him through the process of learning about the breed?" yes probably would BUT that's NOT what he was looking for. This is a man who did NOT come to the board and say I'm new, I'm trying to learn, help me. This is a person who came to this breed with dollar signs in his eyes and with a bitch too young to breed and not even proven breed worthy ( if he even knows what that means) but damn the torpedos and full speed ahead we're going to breed her anyway whether she should or should not be bred and regardless of that fact that I know nothing about the breed or living and raising them.
I guess I'm just getting old and crotchety. I have done my stint of mentoring and educating for decades now and it's quite easy to read who wants to learn and who doesn't give a rat's a** about doing so. And yes there is a problem with desiring JUST to produce pets as has been discussed on many threads including the one linked below. One must always be strivig for the best because Mother Nature always pushes to the median so even in a breeding planned for a very hi level dog there will always be some that are less so - those are the pets. When only breeding for pets the quality, stability and breed type disappears very very rapidly.
I looked up another post I had made for another thread today and lo it's about the very same topic with a very similiar person. You might want to read the whole thread. You will see I did offer to help that person - not surprisingly to no avail - I noticed several months ago other board members were racking her over the coals for outrageous behavior. I'm even willing to make Royal the same offer I made Bondo's mom if he/she takes time out to learn about the breed and work his dogs ( notice I mentioned a number of enue's NOT just schuthzund)
If nothing else I suggest you and the original poster read the two posts by TIG - a good model to follow. See the bottom of this page for Tig's two posts.
by Royal1 on 23 May 2010 - 19:05
Do you have proof?
by charlie319 on 23 May 2010 - 23:05
I personally, lack thedepth of knowledge on breeding to make a quick judgement and must rely on a lot of research and the good charity of others who do know what I may still have to learn. However, I think that "pet" GSD's are not a bad idea as many of today's enthusiasts fell in love wit hthe breed with their pet GSD. Back in the 1950's and 1960's GSD's (along with Collies) were the favorite family dog. Now we've got Labradors (talk about messing up a breed) and Labradoodles all over creation, while our breed becomes an even more niche breed every year because most good breeders are breeding for the show, SchH or Police market. The problem of our breeds shallow and narrow genetic pool is of our own making.
by Royal1 on 24 May 2010 - 01:05
If I breen anger to some people here, I may simply go away from this forum......
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