Look at these hips - Page 28

Abby, since his last email to me this AM, no.

I don't think the Vet is at fault.

A health certificate for shipping is only done to indicate the dog is free from any outward signs of disease etc.

It is not a structural assessment. Sure, the overbite may have even been mentioned at the time the certificate was done,
(I don't know the Czech words for "Holey F*** look at THAT!), but the health certificate should have been issued if the pup was free from
any signs of parasites and/or infection etc. (runny eyes, snotty nose, crap soaked rear end, fleas, ticks etc).

Still not sure why it would take so long to come to some sort of agreement, refund the purchase price and shipping charges?
YOU guys screwed up, you are now caught and being taken to task for it.
If she kept the crate, she can send it back to you.

Ok, Chrissy doesn't care now, so post away. ;-)

I just thought Chrissy should call the shots on this charade.  

Good point about the vet. Mine always have commented and noted what nice bites my pups have had before they shipped out. However, as workingdogz said, a vet isn't going to withold a health cert based on a bad bite. 

I have  literally thousands of satisfied clients in 40+ years doing dogs. I am sure that there are few who are not happy. I have literally thousands of clients who are happy though.
Let me also say this : if it would not be for me and  AlpineK9 and Jiri of JINOPO there would not be any Czech old style dogs  and we would not have any argument about this. 
Prager Hans

We charge $1800+S&H and we have people waiting on our quality pups on a waiting list.    You know pup is not a toaster. There is an emotional attachment and it hurts me and you if pup is sick or dysplastic. I have not have reported to me a  dysplastic pup from AlpineK9 in 3 years  except one which was border line at worst . I had none here in my kennel. JINOPO sells and breeds more dogs then I do  and they had in the same period of time about 4 pups replaced due to bad hips.How much is that worth it to you in the world where HD in GSDs is around 50%!!!! We run during that period of time 1% or less. In last 10 years we had about 3%-4%. Show me a breeder who can match that in as many pups as we have and on top of it have the temperament and other qualities as we have.  Prager Hans *TaTTOO The Plane Jiri the Plane

Ouch!

This is almost like shooting fish in a barrel.

Hans, your own blowhard braggart ways are coming back to bite you and your partner in the @ss.

Isn't it ironic that a pup with a huge overbite and horrific hips is now biting back hard and full?

He is not, strictly speaking, a broker. He is a DEALER since HE, alpinek9, provides exclusive warranty (guarantee) as stated on his site. That means he is the ONLY one that guarantees animals sold through alpinek9. Also, he pays Jinopo wholesale for the dog, and sells at retail-- Same as any retailer of any product. So he is not a middleman. Therefore he is 100% responsible for compensating a claim or complaint regarding product sold. He can sort out reimbursement from jiri on his own time, not on Chrissy's time. "Tattoo,The PLANE is in a tailspin!!!!"

Jen,
Of course, you can call me Jim, you have always called me Jim. 

I am in agreement that a dog can have bad hips, I had a GSD with severe HD many years ago that was asymptomatic and lived a good pain free life.  I am talking about the bills for the severe overbite that Hans was informed about immediately, well almost immediately except he didn't take Chrissy's calls.  I will give on the hips that can happen, but not the overbite.  Remember the brother / sister puppy breeding that the buyer was never really told about until after she had the dog.  She was told it was a "close linebreeding."  This is not the first time. 

Chrissy should have been made aware of the overbite. 

Does anyone disagree with that? 

Does anyone really believe Jiri missed it?  

Should Hans as the one selling the dog have inspected the dog?   I think so.  If Hans had never seen the dog that would be one thing, but even if we separate his partnership with Jiri (which we cannot) he has an obligation to look the dog over as the importer, don't you think?  He certainly checked the two pups to "guaranty"  (poor choice of words, huh?) he was getting the right dog.  Jiri said make sure you get the other dog, according to Hans. 


When I say he knew about the issues for 6 months I am referring to the overbite and he absolutely knew about the overbite and did NOTHING!!!!!!!   An ethical business person would work to resolve this to Chrissy' satisfaction.  Expecting her to sell a replacement pup, if he ever intends to ship one is complete Bullshit and he knows it.  Chrissy is not in the dog selling, breeding or brokering business; Hans is.  He should just refund the purchase price, shipping costs and at the very least pay to correct the over bite.  At the very least.  


His lack of response shows how much he really cares.  He is wrong, he and JIRI are  partners and they need to correct their "F**** up."  Plain and simple.  I guess the best warranty in the business doesn't cover shipping and selling dogs with obvious health defects like serious over bites...............

 As a matter of fact we got first dogs from Czech by smuggling them in the trunk of the car into Germany.

I guess you ahve to expect this from someone who started their business by smuggling dogs in the trunks of cars....I'm surprised the dogs survived the trip.  Well, they were strong czech dogs, heat and Carbon monoxide are no big deal to them. 
 

I know one thing.
I would NOT want to be trying to sell Czech dogs on this board---

I am curious about those that seem to be supporting the whole "poor Hans is caught in the middle" scenario.

How would YOU feel if you were in Chrissy's shoes? Out approx $2200.00 for pup and shipping, and look what you have?
You know, it would be one thing if she paid $200.00, even then I feel the seller should be honest about the overbite.

Do any of you that think Hans is stuck in the middle have an extra 2K laying around? If so, send it to Chrissy and let Hans & Jiri pay YOU back.