not right kennel?? - Page 25

I think it was pretty clear to see the problem with the ear and everything else in that video.  At least for me it was.  Cute puppy and will make a nice pet for someone.  For anyone considering a dog from those lines, watch the video and buyer beware.

Jim

Yes' Certainly the ear is not right and depends on what the Puppy was purchased for, But as Jim says not for him and it would be of no good to me, But will make a nice House Dog and friend
Steve1

I think it is pretty obvious he will never get his money back out of it, money he needs obviously, wether it be for drugs for his illness or doctor bills, I don't know.  Unless of course he finds a sucker, but Wade doesn't seem the type to take advantage of someone.


Everyone is so concerned over their lost friendship.  Did you ever think Wade  may not want Hans as a friend anymore?

I wish these folk that yip about how none of these issues affect price would put their money where their mouth is and buy the dog.  


Just put up or shut up.

Red Sable
Is it possible a Pic or two could be put on here of the Pups head to see the Ear, I think it not 100% but a still Pic would certainly show it correctly
Steve1

Ibrahim said, 

  "When you injure your prey you either cure it or kill it on the spot, you don't torture it, right?"


    .......  What Some may see as naivety and weakness, IMO is true wisdom and strength. I respect you Ibrahim...: ) 

Jim I agree, but this wasn't about the pups performance on the video so I didn't comment. Obviously Wade must be pleased with the rest of the dog or I am sure he would be bitching about that as well. His unwillingness to bite would be my biggest issue but then again, I don't know how those lines develope. I haven't even looked at the pups ped honestly. I know what lines I like and they come out of the womb with grips. 

All I keep thinking of is Rooka's flop-earred, discount puppy, boy, I never thought that ear would stand! But her updates showed that it eventually did. I wonder how old the dog was when it corrected? Maybe Hans knows what he speaks of, or maybe he's buying time. Who can know?

I do agree, and I've said elsewhere, a flop-ear shepherd is a deal breaker, in my book, and I'm a pet person.

Still, I don't think Wade is a total innocent. He thought he was getting preferred treatment, getting that access to the money-maker name, I guess because of "friendship"***, and instead got the puppy roulette, like so many regular dog buyers who are not themselves, breeding kennels. Those dollar signs floating away are painful to watch, I'm sure. 

***As Steve1 noted, what is/was the quality of the friendship? Was it a recent "internet" relationship or have they been eating BarBQ's at each others homes for the past ten years?

And Ibrahaim, If I read Debbie's post correctly, following the warranty to a "T" means Wade will have to pay shipping if he wants Hans to buy back his pup. Or, they will send a replacement pup for a flop-ear , but he no longer wants a pup! He just wants the profit from the NAME, he thought he was be buying.  

by Ibrahim on 01 September 2011 - 23:09	Ibrahim Posts: 838 Joined: Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:39 pm
When you injure your prey you either cure it or kill it on the spot, you don't torture it, right?

Depends on if I am sending a message or not.  I appreciate your Ghandi & MLK Jr. approach though as that is they way you handle/perceive things.  There are others that prefer another course of action.

Thats like saying "If someone robs you, do you call the cops when you capture them or do you hurt them.  I'm sure Ibrahim you would wait for the cops to come.  Me....Im making an example of that person to make they never do it again.  Now this is a extreme example but its a way of showing people handle things different.

by Red Sable on 02 September 2011 - 10:09	Red Sable Posts: 661 Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 09:55
Unless of course he finds a sucker, but Wade doesn't seem the type to take advantage of someone. Did you ever think Wade may not want Hans as a friend anymore?

How do you know Wade isn't.  We are all people ont he internet so how do we truly "know" someone if we don't see them everyday (or once in awhile) and interact with them face to face?

I see RS you ignored the part I posted about Wade having a dog that per OFA website, has "Mild HD" but lists it on his website as "hips good".  Is that just a "typo"?

Your right he may not want Hans as a friend anymore.  I think that wasn't hard to see after reading his comments.

Well, in order to work things out, both parties have to be honest and state the facts as they see them,once that is established then a compromise agreeable to both parties has to be reached. I really don't see that happening in this case since neither party seems to think they are at fault.Alot can happen to and with a puppy over a period of a few months while in someone elses possesion. Maybe the training is not suitable in the eyes of the seller and has caused damage to the temperament and drive of the puppy, the ear might have been damaged by another dog while in the buyers possesion, who knows? It's perfectly understandable that  he might not want the puppy back. Puppy developes a problem with an ear or some other physical inperfection that detracts from potential breeding of the animal. Or as in this case,financial loss if the puppy is sold, also understandable from the buyers point of view, provided it is  genetic and not physical damage. The kennel name in my opinion is a moot point unless both parties were clear in the fact that the kennel name was priorty one.
     Personally, I think the biggest mistake was bringing it to the attention of this board and only served to make matters worse. In my opinion both parties have suffered damage to their reputations, and they chose to do it to themselves by letting it play out here instead of privately. When all is said and done it's clear that this is about dollars, not friendship and not dogs. Those two aspects were thrown out the window several pages back.Split the difference and both parties take a loss, then go about your business either still be friends or not, that is your decision to make.

     As for as shipping being the resposibility of the buyer, I agree. However if I am shipped  defective
merchandise it is not my resposibility to pay shipping again because someone screwed up on the sellers end and sent me something that turned out to be faulty according to the  sellers warranty. It's not ethical or honorable on the part of the seller.

     Ibrahim, don't be so quick to assume people are honorable and trustworthy based on conversations from forums,emails or phone calls.                Michael