Look at these hips - Page 22

I dont think anyone is jealous.  The issue is that this pup should never have been put on a plane to go to a buyer who received ZERO information about this condition.  Yes mistakes happen but the other thing is that pups from this litter were being held onto for future use.  Which means someone was checking them out often enough to pick which ones were good enough to hold onto, and they had 8 weeks to do it. 

I dont blame Hans actually.  But Jinopo needs to refund the cost of this pup.  Hans is caught in the middle and is going to eat the blame but i think his job is more getting paperwork and schedules together for the buyer and the seller.  Also it does seem like there was some dragging of feet to try to resolve this issue.  With the closeness of the broker and the seller this should have happened much more quickly.

All i can say is good luck Chrissy and i hope you won't have to make a very difficult choice in the near future if the elbows don't clear.  Just try to do some of the therapies and hopefully this pup will have some sort of happy life with you. If you do the surgery then at least you did everythig possible for this litte guy.  It's a horrible situation for any dog owner to have to go through.

And again this pup should never have been put on a plane, whoever is clearing them before sending should be retrained or let go. 

Jiri looked at the pups closely enough to read the tattoo. He must have based his decision as to which pup was being registered in hans' name on SOME TRAIT or CHARACTERISTIC compared to the other pup. HOW in the HECK could he have overlooked that horrific overbite????!!!!! To call this a MISTAKE is an insult to everyone's intelligence. Therefore, he is one hundred percent responsible for this mess and since hans is his rep or boss or full partner or whatever, he needs to fix it, as he stated he's trying to do. However trying should not take any longer than reaching in his pocket and handing Chrissy ALL of her money. He can take up his reimbursement from jiri AFTER this is done. Then every one can be at peace and in the future, LOOK BEFORE YOU LEAP.

"Workingdogs you pretty much have no clue about what is going on.  I will not even try to respond to your rambling.  
And to Ghostly and others who do not get it.
 I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE PUP  except at the airport  in middle of the night for few seconds when I and Chrisy was picking it up. Jiri told me to pick pup with certain tattoo in the ear which was the pup which was being  registered in my name.  I did not select anything. And yes, I or she  did not see it at that time.

 Hans"


You never saw the pup, except at the airport huh? Ok..so HOW did you check a tattoo? Were they done in braille?
You HAD to have some light to READ a tattoo? That means you were right by the puppy's face, unless these pups are tattooed in the thigh.
Come on..be real please!

I get "it"-so does almost everyone else, Chrissy didn't know to check the puppy over for things like an umbilical hernia and bite, she shouldn't, she was utilizing the services of a broker/partner and trusted this person. She is a novice to the breed and to buying a "quality purebred dog". I am almost certain she will never make this mistake again, and will go over an potential pup with a fine tooth comb.

News flash fir the dynamic duo- if you or your partner missed the bad overbite on this pup, and a VET missed it upon examining this pup for an International Health Certificate to ship, well, you either all need really GOOD glasses, or should perhaps just stop breeding/selling pups/dogs altogether.b If you can't see that overnite, what else are you missing on the dogs/pups you sell?

Dante, you really need to go and read those threads to another web board that were linked here. It's not so "cut and dried" as you make it out to be. This girls calls went unreturned for days. At least 10 days passed between the time she recieved physical possession of the pup and when she got ahold of the American Rep for Jinopo, Hans at Alpine K9.  Wow, the girl is human and has a heart, in that time period she likely spent every waking second with her pup and she fell in love with him.

If you read her postings on another board, you will see that as soon as the overbite was discovered, she was in fact ready to return the pup within a couple days to the broker, but could not get ahold of him to arrange this!

Yes, she was offered a "replacement", but again, read her own words. She no longer had faith/trust in this breeder/broker duo. She was also not offered free shipping on the other pup. Thats new.

The whole issue STARTED when this puppy was shipped to a novice without notifying her of a HUGE overbite. Breeder & broker duo claim it was a "misstake, a F*** up", so why should this girl PAY for their errors and incompetency?

Hans, you are right, I do not know your version of this, nor your partners version. I don't really need to I don't think. I have a pretty good command of the english language and read/write it pretty fluently. I can and have read this girls story, several times to be truthful, and it's a pretty detailed version.
I've also seen the pictures, all of them, not just the scant few that remain online.

This girl has fallen in love with her pup and wants to exhaust all avenues to allow him a pain free life while remaining fair to the pup, she is standing by him when many others tell her to put him to sleep. Thats not wrong of her I don't think, in fact, I think it's admirable that she has that dedication.
The dental issue is clearly detailed in those links, people should read them. The broker responds in them as well.

IF, big IF, this were a matter of the pup just having bad hips, then yes, I would actually agree with and support the breeder/broker duo in their sticking to their "warranty", thats not the case. This was a bad deal that got worse as it went along.
Hopefully this pup has good elbows--he has to have some kind of luck doesn't he?

The issue with the other individual that purchased a breeding quality pup from him and got a pup with a kinked ear and different breeder is another one altogether.
I will only say this about that situation. While the buyer admittedly didn't thoroughly read the broker/breeders contract, he went with the trust/friendship he had established with this broker & breeder thru phone calls and emails. When he was asked by the US Rep what he wanted his puppy's name to be, he responded with "_______ Jirkova Dvora", at no point was he corrected told this was not "their" breeding. So yes, he was upset. Petty to some? perhaps. But it does show that the devil is in fact in the details.

Spin it however you want. Your company screwed up and supplied a customer with a "defective" product, regardless of contract/warranty, your company should refund all monies inclusive of shipping to the customer. It happens daily in business life. It's called taking responsibility for your product.
There is no jealousy here from us, we purchase our dogs/puppies directly from breeders who work and title and live with their dogs. Whether here in the USA, or importing.

One more thing, Hans and Jiri should have no problem selling this replacement puppy and forwarding the refund of purchase price plus shipping to Chrissy,
read Hans' own words, I took the liberty of italicizing and bolding the really important part in the last paragraph:

Is £2000 too much to pay for importing a dog from Jinopo cz into the UK by Prager on 14 December 2011 - 19:12

Prager Posts: 623 Joined: Wed Apr 29, 2009 08:33 pm

Red sable. Cost of the pup at 4 months there was £ 2000 . That is $3000 at 4 months shipping, extra immunization and so on  included. Just about all breeders and all people who sell anything via mail require that you pay for the shipping if you are returning it back. The person , whom I do not even know  and is in GB selling dogs for JINOPO will have to accept the pup if the buyer wish to return such dog. Thus no long distance back to Czech shipping. However  general practice is that Jinopo  and AlpineK9 let people  keep such dog because the buyer loves their dog and is attached to it and we by no means will use return of the dog as a black mail in order to send or  not to send the replacement. Generally just about 100% of people to whom we send another dog will keep their original dog.   Also if people choose to buy a dog or book or anything via mail  then they need to pay the shipping for the dog or for the shipping of the replacement. Such is life. Jinopo and ALPINEK9 replaces only(!!!!) about 1/2% or less of their dogs. Thus the chances that such replacement is going to happen is less then 1 in 200.  That is pretty good and it also shows the quality of dogs AlpineK9 and Jinopo are selling. Thus is it worth it? That is up to the buyer.  Some people go and get a dog from us and some go and get it somewhere else.,....or get it in the dog pound. What you paying for is probability that you are going to get quality dog. Do I think that our prices are fair? Yes I do. I do because we sell all our pups often before they are born and demand is really high.  Prager Hans

Hans also mentions they sell their puppies for $1800 plus shipping. Thats a pretty good price for a well bred healthy pup.
Thats a big rip off for a pup with a huge overbite IMO.

It is so easy for this duo of Alpine K9 & Jinopo to make this right as they can. So easy.
Not so easy for the girl who saved her money to buy her "dream pup"..not so easy for the pup either.

If this Hans characters name was not on this thread  he would be still quoting his warrentee game.He and his parter are much like the Fantasy Island of breeders Mr. Roark and side kick, Tattoo(Hans).The people sticking up for him are supporters.He should give her a FULL REFUND.As long as people on here voice how wrong this deal is he will have to refund or lose sales.  Better call Mr. Roark Tatoo your game is over.Americans and not stupid and your 15 minutes is up.

Wow, what a mess.  You have to do right by the dog.  I hope that you are able to get the surgery he needs or be humane about it.  I am sorry that this pup has had such a rough go of it.  I have a friend who rescued a GSD that had needed his hips done.  They cut off the heads and she worked do hard to rehab him.  It was a major ordeal.  There was a whole fitness routine she did for him in addition to all of the wound flushing and those types of things.  He is doing well now, all things considered.  I wish you the best in the choice you make for your dog. 

Perhaps the demand is so high that in attempt to meet the demand quality has gone to hell. Looks like it. Mass production of ANY product is often the death knoll for that producer. Usually quality suffers. No big deal if it's dry goods, but people such as Chrissy and her beloved Kyser are the victims of the greed of this "Dynamic Duo" and their selfish mass production of living creatures.

Americans this Americans that, Americans are not stupid... Do Americans think they are the only ones who buy dogs, breed dogs, compete, are the only ones that use this forum? This threat is beginning to stink of Xenophobia and i have had enough of that in my life.