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by workingdogz on 27 February 2012 - 13:02
duke wrote:
"aaykay , better not go there ,dont throw names in the discussion, because the dogs you mention could be as well examples of names used to sell grandpups or great grandpups , born out of dogs that have nothing more to offer than a famous name somewhere on the pedigree , and that is the problem as seen many times on PDB ad section
for sale Norbo great grandpups
for sale Tom Leefdaalhof great grandpups
For sale grandpups from VA 5 studdog
For sale pups of WUSV participant
what do and can we really expect when we buy a pup here. "
That sums it all up perfectly Duke!
Names names names!
Most don't breed with a goal to produce balanced
utility dogs, they breed to the stud that they know
will $ell the litter quick and for the mo$t $$!
"aaykay , better not go there ,dont throw names in the discussion, because the dogs you mention could be as well examples of names used to sell grandpups or great grandpups , born out of dogs that have nothing more to offer than a famous name somewhere on the pedigree , and that is the problem as seen many times on PDB ad section
for sale Norbo great grandpups
for sale Tom Leefdaalhof great grandpups
For sale grandpups from VA 5 studdog
For sale pups of WUSV participant
what do and can we really expect when we buy a pup here. "
That sums it all up perfectly Duke!
Names names names!
Most don't breed with a goal to produce balanced
utility dogs, they breed to the stud that they know
will $ell the litter quick and for the mo$t $$!
by joanro on 27 February 2012 - 15:02
And if they breed to a dog that has balance and represents the breed but doesn't have titles to try to prove it, the breeder gets slammed again.
by duke1965 on 27 February 2012 - 15:02
or like some american breeders do in both work and showline ; buy a titled male and six or more titled females and start breeding and pretend everything is perfect
by Rik on 27 February 2012 - 15:02
duke, it's the American way.
by joanro on 27 February 2012 - 16:02
But by all means, don't hold back entire litters, raise to adulthood, train, evaluate to see what your producing for fear of being labeled a collector. Plus it's waaay more work and uncompensated expense than most "turn over" breeders will commit to.
by duke1965 on 27 February 2012 - 16:02
When I started my breedingprogram I bought female pups from what I thought were promising combinations ,sometimes even three, raised them , did healthtest , and worked with them to select the best for future breeding , and even now from combination of last year I kept four females to raise and observe , 2 of them will stay , but Hell their father is a PP dog without Titles , I guess they cant be good than 
by Gustav on 27 February 2012 - 16:02
Duke I am sure your dogs are strong....lol....the knowledge of the breeder is much more important than the titles of the dog.....most show/sport people don't understand that.
by Blitzen on 27 February 2012 - 16:02
OK, if you don't title your dogs, what criteria do you use to declare that YOUR OWN dog is breed worthy?
Did the Capt intend for the breed to be titled prior to breeding?
Did the Capt intend for the breed to be titled prior to breeding?
by duke1965 on 27 February 2012 - 17:02
blitzen , I title my dogs ,but its not the main criteriumfor breeding for me,it is pretty easy to see the quality of a PP dog or Police dog with an active career and the possability to watch training and so on
was Horand titled when the captain bought him ?
was Horand titled when the captain bought him ?
by Blitzen on 27 February 2012 - 17:02
I don't know if Horand was titled when purchased. I'm just asking if the Capt eventually set down a directive saying ALL breeding dogs must be titled prior to breeding. If the goal is getting back to basics by doing what the Capt would have wanted, then I guess it's important to recognize whether or not breeding untitled dogs goes against his principles.
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