Panda Shepherd(what do you think?) - Page 20

beautiful girl i must say i dont really care for the ''panda'' but there gsd non the less if i came across one that needed a home i would take one in ( but would be done so couldent mate so no chance on breeding) i dont not think there should be killed just because of colour if the dog can work and do the job in hand then its all good no matter of colour

how i see it if you had an airlip and cleftpallet would it of been fair for your mother and father to '''put'' you down

If i saw one lost or around the area. I would take it to my dad. I mean i know he hates dogs but he has sympathy, a heart & also common sense. I know he would let us look after it, until we could find it a home or such

Very nice girl Incavale, but highly *doubt* she is a "Panda"...  You should do DNA testing to find out what she really is.  The Panda Shepherds are an isolated bloodline stemming from only 1 dog, who was born to black/red and solid black parents.  She was DNA tested to determine parentage, and also DNA researched & mapped at UC Davis under Dr. Neff.  (Luckily) the Panda gene is dominant (with 1 panda parent 50% of the offspring should also have Panda markings) so no inbreeding is necessary to produce the color.  I would recommend sending your dog's DNA to UC Davis...  I would say most likely is the Irish spotting gene which is quite common, or slight chance of "piebald" as well...  Would be interesting (to me) to know for sure what kind of gene is causing her white.  :o)  If somehow it was the same Panda gene determined by UC Davis - that would be extremely interesting to know it "mutated" and popped up in 2 separate German lines from traditionally colored parents.

The first post on this topic was by me on 26 July 2009 and the last reply before this one was by Kerstone on 31 May 2010. That is a long post.

There is a gap from when traflagar posted on 24 September 2009 and when Sunnyday posted on 20 November 2009. There is a 2 month gap there.

And then from when Charlie319 posted on 27 november 2009 and when yelpasso posted on 7 April 2010.
There is a 5 month gap there.

Yelpasso alos states she is reviving this post nearly a year later.
 
So i think this post is clearly an ongoing thread for ages.
 

The Original story of the Panda Shepherd:

On October 4, 2000, a liter of German Shepherd puppies were whelped. The father was a traditional black and tan saddle patterned dog, and the mother was solid black. In this litter, there was a "Panda Shepherd". The breeder, , was shocked at what she saw with one of the puppies- it was unlike any other German Shepherd they had ever seen.

To figure out how this happened, a geneticist was consulted. His first thoughts were that there was a "fence jumper"- that another breed jumped the fence and mated with the female. When he was through with his testing, he was even more shocked than anyone. The black and tan German Shepherd and the black German Shepherd were indeed the parents of this puppy. The cause for this unique coloration was a genetic mutation.


http://www.loveofbreeds.com/PandaShepherd.html
 

I did not read through all of the postings they appeared to be all over the board.  Well here is my two cents worth.

40 years ago when my family was breeding Boxers by strict rules, if a pup had over 1/3 white it to be destroyed.  We destroyed some really beautitful pups (that was 40 yrs ago).  I have a cousin who now has the boxers. He does not represent the solid white as rare or the major white as rare but people do pay mor for them. The is occasional deafness.

NOW TO PANDA: I should hope that unlike the boxers where they are a different color. THAT: The PANDA would have a seperate registry much like the PAINT horse V. the Quarter horse.

At the risk of being over simplistic:  The Paint Horse is a Quarter Horse with too much white. Without getting into all of the genetic techicalities you can breed QH X QH = Paint Foal (Refered to as a Crop Out because it cropped out of know where). This foal cannot be registered as a QH, although from QU parents because it does not meet the color std. So it is registered as a Paint. Again, very simple explanation.

The Paint breed struggled for a few years. now is thriving.  When the QH Assn. had reached the point $$$ that families could not compete.  The Paints filled that gap and families could afford to show and sport again.  So, maybe, the Pandas could e a good thing.  Not many families can afford $2500-$7000 you see in ads for dogs that can compete.

I SAY GO PANDAS - FORM YOUR OWN REGISTRY AND ENJOY LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes i do think the Panda should be a different breed.

However from what i have gathered, the gene pool for the Panda is currently to small to form a new breed. They are going to need a larger gene pool somehow, if they wish to be a seperate breed

 Kerstone dont be so quick to judge. Nature has its way of things and if a genetic mutation happened once in our german shepherds who ALL dwell from the SAME dogs at the end of that pedigree. Then WHY on earth would it not be possible to happen again?
we have a closed gene pool its very likely to happen again.

I think its absolutely ridiculous that someone is so selfish to think that only THEIR dog could produce a panda shepherd.

I have pretty much read all the way through this topic. 

If anyone is famaliar with the American Quarter Horse and the American Paint Horse... this is the tail of WHITE dominate mutation and breeders being do damn picky about colors.  BUT suddenly the AQH was born the most FANTASTIC show specimen in the 1970s..... Many many many many bred from this stallion (Impressive) and his offspring. And about 6 to 10 years ago it about WIPED OUT the American Quarter Horse.  Now through the DNA testing requirements of both the stallion and the mare the AQHA no longer will disallow the "paint" or "to much white" markings on a Quarter Horse... Why... because they finally realized after 70+ some odd years... white markings are not bad, it the hidden unseen ones that are.
 
It is stated over and over again that SO FAR there seems to be no health defects from this "white marking" mutation. Be VERY happy it is not like the Hyperkalemic Periodic Paralysis in Quarter Horse gene pool.

As a past dog breeder, not of the GSD, I never culled an "off" colored puppy since its heritage could throw them.... yet I never would it allowed to be registered and I found people just happy to have a new companion hunting hound dog. Like my Coonhounds (whos purpose is to hunt) and I were to have received this "panda" marking in one of my GSD (guardian working dog) puppies it simply would of be left unregistered (limited registration in AKC) and given to a pet home.

We do get fastinated by mutations exspecially when there is science involved in helping us understand it.  The "Panda" mutation is just COLOR.  It is still a German Shepherd so WHY play the game like the AQHA did... and possibly pay for it later?.

I wont lie i like the look but only if it is 100% GSD