Understanding pedigrees - Page 2

If the parents aren't in the database, and with those names, I will guess they're American or Canadian show or pet lines. How many generations before we find some Euro lines is anyone's guess. If you can get more of the pedigree and post it we can tell you more.

 

Bubba, I beg to differ- or maybe my experience is unique. I get a great deal of consistency- too much. We had a seminar here several months ago and the similarities were uncanny amongst different generations, both temperament and physical features. These are not always good things, LOL. My breeding experience is somewhat limited in diversity, as my main breeding dogs have all been related, but I intentionally tried to bring in some total outcrosses so that I could get a bit more diversity within litters and be able to suit a little more varied end -users. I will go along with saying no two are exactly alike, but yes, two (or many more ) can most definitely be a LOT alike! Totally depends on how the genetics shake out. Not a simple Punnett square.

They are in the database as of a couple of days ago.

 

Luzaks dam is "windfalls emancipation of mimi" and sire is "karizma malawi kaleef von loar" 

 

Sable's dam is "hope vom mystical haus" and sire is "ranger vom stein k9 kennel"

 

The forum isnt letting me post again atm. But I put her name in incorrectly in the comments. Hopefully the parents names help. 

Can't find the dam.

Sire is actually "well" bred American lines. By "well" bred, I mean most of them are titled (obviously not performance titles, but AKC Ch.).

Ok, now it is letting me post again. Are performance titles like agility and such? Yes, I had noticed there were a lot of ch's for sires side.

I mean working titles, like IPO, KNPV, SchH (now IPO), etc. Sport may have been a better word choice.

The Czech lines are in less than 20% of the pedigree in the Dam's Dam Hope vom Mystical Haus.
Hope's sire Watt Suché Lazce is from Czech Working lines . Dogs who participated in the BSP and WUSV
Hope's dam Rasty Leryka is from West German Working lines and Czech Working lines
As for DDR, they are so far back and so few, that they are inconsequential. 8 or more gens. I lost count. Would be easier if you add your dogs name and her sire and dam (who are both in the database) and include her name in this post. It was like trying to figure out a puzzle.

Ok, so she would be considered west german working lines, mainly? And by she, I mean my dogs dam. I did mention her name, and the sires. I have not added Nova yet, as I was wanting to get a better picture than I currently have. But I guess I can just add that later. I will add her tomorrow, and that should make it easier. I knew there was some czech in her...from what I have read before, alot of the working lines are mixed nowadays. That you will be hard pressed to find a 100% pure this or that. But it was more or less someones opinion, so I dont know how true it is. It is just interesting to know some of what makes up my dog.

No your dams dam would be considered Czech working lines as about 75% of her lines are Czech. The 20% that I stated applies to the whole pedigree of your dog being Czech working lines.
Yes.. you did MENTION your dogs name, but if you entered her in PDB then we could look at the whole pedigree for 7 gens all at once instead of having to pick through your posts to figure out what is what. If you want help, you should try to make it as easy as possible for people to find the pedigree, which means entering her name in PDB and then giving us the URL for the pedigree. Much easier for someone trying to help you.

BHALL of Alertk9 likely knows the parentage of Hope from Mystical Haus based on more than a paper pedigree. BHALL and Jennifer at Mystical Haus worked together on breeding sometimes. It is likely BHALL has eyes on experience with Rasty and possibly the stud for Hope.

Luzak (kennel name), as mentioned, is American show lines. The Windfall dogs are located in Ohio. Windfall's Emancipation of Mimi is primarily Fran-Jo lines (long standing American kennel...their dog, Lance, is what transformed American show lines into what they are today). Fran and Joan have both passed on (Fran just a few months ago). Taylor (Joelle's Golddigger of Jessefan) just recently passed away (shortly after the national, in October). Taylor produced the 2015 GVX, Selena.

Malawi, who goes by the call name of "Chewie" is presently working on his HSAs.  Just went select again at last year's national.  I'm pretty sure Bronson (his sire) is still around.  Bronson's sire (Kenlyn's Aries v HiCliff "Bailey") died late last year.  He was at least 13.5