New temperament test - Page 2

Duke, I really believe in breed requirements, they are necessary - otherwise most people would go the fast and easy way.
The result of this we can see worldwide. 2 generations bred without proof of working abilities made by a breeder, not interested in testing his own stock, is enough to ruin a breed.

This temperament test is different:
Right now our dogs have to behave, they are not allowed to show agression, but we can train them with simple obedience training, they are supervised by trainer, owner, handler, nobody tries to "play" or interact with them actively - and there is the difference.

You mentioned Raiser: Yes, he already tests similar. Although he has a lot of good ideas I am no Raiser follower, simply because I don´t want dogs who all behave the same, choosen by the personal liking of one single guy.

Susie, do you think that , without breedingrequirements, the breeders who carry the breed will change their approach

do you think kennels like staatsmacht, schiffslache and kartago to name a few will breed lesser dogs if there were no breedingrequirements

the other way around I know that breedingrequirments keep things from happening, for example many breeders wanted to use Amigo zamat, but couldnot because he was in luxemburg, and even with IPO 3 good hips/elbows and multiple worldchampionships, he was not allowed to breed in Germany

now Helmut Raiser would allow such dog to breed in his club today, so that is a good thing,

also many dogs barely touch minimum breeding requirements , dont bring anything to the breed but are advertised as Kored and helps them sell the pups

In my opinion the combination of parents is more important than the individual parents to improve in breeding

Aww! And I was just going to post how much I liked that
first pup ! Seems to have pretty solid nerves - I know I
don't do Protection work/sport, but JMO if I did I'd like a
dog like that one ...

Duke, I don´t know why Amigo was neither shown nor breed surveyed. Either the owner didn´t care or it was not possible out of any reasons. Otherwise no big deal to get a show rating and a breed survey...

"...now Helmut Raiser would allow such dog to breed in his club today, so that is a good thing, "
Duke, even Raiser would ask for proof of conformation ( teeth, testicles, seize ), otherwise NO breeding.
This man is not stupid, he ( his club ) even acknowledges SV show results...

The "good" breeders don´t need breed requirements, the CARELESS breeders need them.

You don´t get my point - take a close look at the video -

at least I don´t want the WHOLE breed to become happy, friendly, prey-oriented.
That´s just my opinion, but I like the "bully" dogs, social to me and my family, but off with strangers.

Hund, the first dog knew about the "test", the 2. didn´t ( owner was a spectator, willing to participate - the dog made this test for the first time in its life ).

I like dog no1, too, but I don´t want to see THE WHOLE BREED acting like this in the future.

Thanks Susie, that was a good watch. Interesting to read about the two dogs after watching. Before I saw that last post, I would have speculated that the first dog may have been a few months older, possibly explaining why it seemed to be a little more "poised" than the second. I thought they both did well, but I have to agree with you that I'm left wondering about what, exactly they are after for results.

The dogs seemed to be well adjusted, but I wouldn't say that a dog not performing well in several of those tests would somehow be deficient. Seems like that test would be something along the lines of the AKC Good Citizen test. Great test to show a dog that will do well in a very public environment, but if that's not what you want to do with your dog (and it certainly seems that many GSD do not), then it's not of much value.

Is there any history on how or why this test came about? I've heard/read that there is a little backlash within certain circles towards any type of bite work. Is this possibly someone's idea of an alternative to the BH test?

No alternative, it´s additional - right now without consequences, I don´t even know where and if it will be mentioned officially - but out of experience I know that any "optional tests" change(d) into "mandatory tests" after a while ( HD, ED, BH for example ).
This test is a answer to German law and society - no private people shall own or breed "aggressive" dogs - but by selecting "social" dogs only we will loose important traits of the breed.
This video shows the "first steps" of this new temperament test - I am really curious about future...

 

 

IMO what the first dog showing is what most of the breeders wanna see today
a easy to train happy social dog with not too much issues, its not my type of dog but I see
nothing wrong with this dog,but  this test don,t impressed me  looks more

a pet test

Every well balanced ,social dog with some drives will easy succeed.

Example for serious  guarding or protection you need a different kind of dog with other genetics
breeders who breed this kind of dog is a rare find today simple most of the breeders
don,t care and and don,t test this anymore it is almost all sport today.

 

 

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To me the test just shows that the dog passing it would make one heck of a nice family pet. Maybe a softcore sports dog. This test has nothing to do with testing a dog's natural working abilities for serious work.

It very evident the turn that society is starting to take on dogs and dog ownership. Under the guise of political correctness maybe the day will come in the next 20 - 30 years when only the military and possibly other gouvernement agencies will be permitted to own dogs that have the working qualities that some of us value today. Don't laugh. Pit bulls, and in some places, Rottweilers are already banned. Albeit for other reasons.

This are my thoughts exactly, and that´s the reason why I have no good feelings about this "test".