One Breed - Page 2

I just find it funny that SLs bred fit this ideal "standard" of a breed that is meant to be WORKING dog, yet it is a rarity to find a truly nice working SL.

@ Bubba, breed to yr OWN standards unlike these idiot breeder's breeding to THE standard....and people still ask why things are the way they are.

Bubba, breed to yr OWN standards unlike these idiot breeder's breeding to THE standard

It is actually the opposite that is true, and that is the problem

I was paraphrasing, did you read bubba's post?

 

I think the standard is what EVERY breeder should breed to.

Sorry, vk....did not read the sarcasm in your tone. What we mean doesn't always come across in text only ^_^

All good I would hate anyone to think I was arguing for bubba's DIY designer breed. Why is there no universal sarcasm font.

Which SV standard should I breed to?? Should I try to copy the BSZS or the BSP winners??? Maybe copy the Czech or Slovakian champions?? If any of you want to pretend that the SV, AKC, or any other standard is the be all and end all for the GSD please amuse yourself but for the benefit of my dogs and with my money and time I breed to my GSD standard .. otherwise why be a breeder?? Just do as most in the competitive GSD dog world do in the USA and import all of your dogs from Europe ... if you like the SV, Czech, or any other standard just buy one like buying the most recent model of an Audi or a BMW. Just don't pretend that the 1995 BMW is the same as the 2015 models .. they are different for better or worse. So which was the right standard the 2015 model or the 1995 model?? If a breeder is not breeding to his or her standard then why breed at all .. just copy from the European's homework. I am not interested in producing just IPO dogs or KNPV dogs or Mondio Ring type dogs. I produce my type dogs or try to .. some are best suited to IPO, some best suited to agility, and some best suited to tracking or herding. My dogs each have different tool sets and personalities with the result being that they can do different tasks or serve different masters depending on their strengths and talents.

Bubbabooboo - Your last post brought up some interesting points. First I would like to agree with you when you say “My dogs each have different tool sets and personalities with the result being that they can do different tasks or serve different masters depending on their strengths and talents“. IMO even with different talents they can still be called “Working Dogs” and, not all of these talents will be related to the biting exercise which for some working people is the be all and end all for their dogs.

You opened the post with the question “Which SV standard should I breed to?”. I think that most breeders try to breed to the German SV and WUSV standard which cover all aspects for a working dog. Everyone would like to put their stamp on the breed and, if it can be done in a positive way for the breed then that is a good thing and can be done within the overall guidelines as laid down by the SV and WUSV to achieve a working dog that can be shown. As you said that you breed to your own GSD standard can you help the readers by explaining exactly what is your standard and how close is it to the SV and WUSV model?

Your analogy with motor cars is not the best example to use. Motor manufacturers produce more than a million cars of the same model and each and every one will be the same. Breeding dogs and other animals is not the same.

Mackenzie

Ever since I joined this Database nearly 8 years ago I have read many posts where there has been comments that the breed should be split. When I think about it and where the suggestion of a split comes from I came to the conclusion that it was mainly from the USA. It was from people who appear to be engaged in the working side of the breed plus other detractors from other breeds. The reason put forward was mainly that show lines working ability was diminishing or non existent and weakness in the biting exercise in particular. Having considered those comments I think that the people who put forward the call to split the breed have not properly thought through their argument especially when it is related solely to the biting exercise.

As everyone will know the rules for breeding under WUSV, SV and countries around the world that follow the same rules a working qualification is one of the requirements for dogs being accepted for breeding. By sheer weight of numbers the show line must qualify, as proof of the ability to work, more dogs each year than the working section. With this in mind why would the breed want, or need, to divide just to appease the few who come here to the PDB just to stir the pot with their unwelcome comments and no intention of discussing threads in a proper and polite manner.

The police and security people have over the years tried out various breeds in their search for betterment. Nothing wrong with that. The have used Doberman’s, Rottweilers, Giant Schnauzers and more. Today it is the Malinois and, who will it be tomorrow? At the end of the day they all come back to the German Shepherd because it is the best utility breed in the world where each dog is capable of carrying out many tasks.

We are all in this together and we have to learn to get on. Each side needs the other for various reasons. One breed, so let’s go forward together.

Mackenzie

Absolutely right ! Well said, Mack.