Von Der Vogel Haus - Page 2

Karmen, to make a long story short, Keeleigh left us 2 yrs ago. When she left us, she was in perfect health, she was heartworm free and on a monthly heart worm preventive. We had an agreement that if they could not keep her she was to come back to us. At that time considering the situation I was sure she was in her forever home.  I made the appointment to have her spayed with the new owner's vet which that vet also verified they were responsible pet owners and that they had recently lost their 13 yr old to cancer. . That spay never happened. I could not get in contact with them again.  We are not responsible for Keeleigh being in the shelter.

We are aware of the reason for her name. I spoke to Keeleigh's original owner, the one that bought her from you.  I even asked him when HE decided to sell her if he contacted you as her breeder to give you the opportunity to get her back.  But he is not the one we got her from. He sold her to someone else and thats the person that she came to us through.

I did contact the rescue group RSGSR that had Keeleigh pulled. I asked if you were getting her back and they told me no. They did tell me they were talking to you but you werent the one getting. As her breeder I thought that was strange that you wouldnt want her. He was later that someone said tey saw it posted on their FB wall that you were getting her back. I did send them a message asking for your contact info as I felt it was best to talk to you directly. I didnt hear from them and that is when I posted here.

I am glad that you now have Keeliegh and she will have proper care. I did try to get her out the shelter, however they refused to allow me to get her HW free before doing the spay.   While waiting for a return call from the shelter, which I am still waiting on, through a friend I found out Keeleigh had been pulled. So who ever MR DANIEL got his info from only told them a one sided story.  You are right there are two sides to every story and no one should spew false accusation before hearing BOTH sides. Regardless of her past, the important thing now is Keeleigh's future. One thing to consider is that had Karmen been given the chance to get her back from the person she sold her to in the first place, none of this would have happened. I am sure she trusted that person just as I trust that person I placed her with to do the right thing but neither did. So why is it entirely our fault.  I will take responsibly for what I am at fault for, but this situation is not all mine to blame. I wonder what would have happened had I never contacted the shelter to claim Keeleigh in the first place.? But somehow I am accused of being uncaring, unethical, and whatever else MR DANIEL tried to accuse me of. 

Karmen if YOU want to know anything else contact me by PM.

For the record, I exercised due diligence in my research into this matter.  I had multiple sources, some of them being people I personally know.  I did not rely on pedigree db (no offense to this great tool).  I shall also admit that I didn't enter this matter unbiased, as my knowlege of Tammy/Krystal/Sudenstolz goes back a few years.  Their response is predictable.  In fact, I have on a few occasions advised some friends to simply not respond to Tammy/Krystal either here or on FB, as they have a pretty well established MO.  Unfortunately, I did not take my own advice, which proves that Ms. Tammy is right about one thing: I am a fool.

Kindly,

Daniel

I came here asking for contact information and of course someone is always there to cause drama without verifing what they think they know as the truth.  Its all good.  At least it gave me the opportunity to state the correct facts as to how the dog ended up in the shelter, which we were in no way responsible for that happening.  I was also given the opportunity to state the facts that I DID try to get her out on two different attempts.  What I did not state was that I had talked to 3 vets about having an 8.5 yr old dog spayed before getting her HW free. 2 of the 3 said they would discourage any owner from doing the spay first because of the stress on a dog of that age w ith heartworms.  The 3rd vet was the shelter's vet which at the time I called their office, I was not aware of that fact.  Had the shelter allowed me to take her out and do the HW treatments first, before spaying, they would not have had to beg for donations and Keeleigh would not have had to spend a week there. She would have been out the same day I called.  All that would have been my expenses and no one else.  So if you will criticize me for not agreeing to there terms as me allowing the dog to be PTS, the same goes for the shelter. They would rather Put her to sleep instead of making an exception. Somehow, I am the heartless person and they aren't.  Imagine that.!!  

Mr Daniel Scott wants to insinuate that I would have rather the dog put be to sleep  instead of attempting to get her out. MR. Scott, did your source tell you I attempted to get her out twice? Did they tell you I was going to assume responsibility for all expenses through MY OWN VET??  Of course not they wont tell you that. Dont accuse me of being the unethical one when in fact the shelter is no better than what you accuse me of.  But you keep defending them. Do you know how many animals they put down because they dont want to bend a little. No you have no idea you dont know the particulars about this shelter. If you did,I would bet your views would not be the same. I am not talking about RSGSR. 

Also MR Daniel Scott. You are so right anyone can throw a rag around and hopefully get pups to bite it. Very good observation.  We do it with every litter or any puppy we have.  Also you are right I posted pictures of a dog blaring his teeth with spit hanging out his mouth.  It was a bark on command. I am sure you know all about that. And yes we do have pictures of our dogs biting on a sleeve or a pillow. So whats your point in mentioning that. WE ARE NOT TRAINERS and NEVER have claimed to be.  So again I ask, whats your point?  We do work our dogs with a trainer whenever possible.   Sorry we do not train in any sport for titles, or train to your liking.  More power to those that do. 

WHEN we do breed, the dogs are xrayed.  Just because they are not OFA'd, pennhip. or a stamped does not mean they have HD and they were not xrayed. All of our dogs have been xrayed. We have not breed a litter in almost 2 yrs and before that, we had not bred often.  You claim we have bred dogs with issues that should not have been bred. PLEASE name the dog(s) you are talking of that we bred with issues that should not have been bred!!!   I would like to know myself as this would be information that was not disclosed to me when we purchased them and expressed our intent to breed them. That would really let the cat out the bag as to who really is unethical since we got all older dogs to start with. Those dogs we started with had breeders and sellers.    You with holding that information after making statements as you did is unethical in itself.  PLEASE STATE THE DOG'S NAME!  PUT IT OUT THERE!!! LET THE WORLD KNOW!!  Breeders need to know the bloodlines and what they may produce.  I am all for sharing that information to better the breed. 

Tammy/Krystal,

Forgive me for interrupting your public service announcement on what noble deeds you have done for the German Shepherd Dog.  I think your own declaration that you don't know anything about training, don't certify hips, and enjoy presenting the GSD as a vicious dog simply proves my point that you shouldn't be breeding.  No, I didn't offer support to the kill-shelter.  However, I commend the good people who rescued her from the shelter.

Take care,

Daniel

I have not claimed to do noble deeds for the breed. You seem to be very good at fabricating things. I didnt say,  I didnt know anything about training, I said we are not trainers and NEVER have claimed to be. BIG difference from what you stated.  If you think a picture of a dog doing a bark on command is presenting the breed as vicious, I guess all the pictures of the IPO and Sch titled dogs doing the same thing,  a bark and hold,  or a doing the protection phase, is a misrepresentation also. WOW, look how many breeders shouldnt be breeding!!

Once again Daniel you are avoiding the opportunity to really put the information out there. 

I also commend the people that got Keeleigh out the kill shelter. But they were not the first to attempt to get her out. I was NOT the only one either besides them to attempt to get her out.  There was others. Get the facts straight and make sure you know what you are talking about. Going only by what the kill shelter told you to make them seem like saviors is not the whole truth, but more like a twisted story for their benefit.  

By the way, Krystal has not posted or commented on this thread?  Are you baiting her?

OH and PLEASE DO comment on FB in reference to what we post and let your friends decide for themsleves if they want to respond or comment. Do you have to make decisions for them.

Hutchins you have your contact information  No need to continue

The rest same   

From past knowledge I think the best thing to do is either delete 90% of the comments that have been posted or Lock the thread.

Going for the easy way and Locking that way anyone who wishes knowledge on the parties involved can find it.

Western Rider