Breeders aiming for creators standard - Page 2

That is not a question I get, and I do not sell to those that want a pet or a woosh.

TOTO

is the aim of my breeding and the breed I love and raised.

This forum is not the place to discuss training methods of the FIGHT DRIVE as most do not even know or understand .  Here is a little eye sight into Standard,

FYI;;;  Reinhard Lindner:

When you trained or were simply in the presence of Reinhard, you felt better for being there. He was the consummate dog trainer, friend, Schutzhund Judge and teacher.

As a trainer for the German Customs he taught many of Germany's best trainers how to make dogs do the unimaginable. He had a touch with dogs that is still talked about today.

HARD DOGS - Germany's toughest - were his "specialty". He had a way to get the job done with the strongest dogs in Germany...and then he would breed to them to his females. The pride he showed in his breeding program (vom Höllbachgrund Kennel) was unique. He bred incredibly strong dogs that were very seldom able to trained to a high level. But, Reinhard and his friends KNEW that he bred the strongest dogs in Germany - scores be-damned.

YR

Agree its not about training its about the standard and the creators intentions - you said a dog that has to have a come to jesus meeting to get thru to it. is something you agree with is that in the standard?

Reread the message of Reinhard. IF it is hard and tough that is the standard that our gsd came from originally and someone used Santi Flush on the lines and they got way away from what they were started for.  WHO did Max start the dogs for>? German soldiers>?  What can standard be other than TOTO]

You  HAVE NO CLUE  what  Come to Jesus Meeting Means....TOTO

YR

Is this what you aim for in your breeding program very tough dogs that can seldom be trained to a high level?



I may have a different interpretation of what a come to jesus meeting to get thru to your dog means. please explain it so i am no longer "clueless"
could you please cut and paste the section of the /any standard that reflects your view.

I don't think he/she was meaning a "come to Jesus talk" meant the dog was aggressive.  I think he was referring that the dog might be a little stubborn, or more patience when training.  

 

"The German Shepherd Dog must be even in temperament, well balanced, self assured, totally unself-conscious and, except when provoked, totally good natured. Added to that he must be attentive and easily trained. He must possess courage, combativity and toughness, so as to be a suitable companion, watch, guard, working and herding dog." 

 

This is is what I'm after for my next female GSD.  A very balanced dog.  Balanced drives.  Not crazy prey driven.  

Well that is not what she posted. Iam sure YR can speak for herself. and no editing your previous posts.

have to agree with poster, too much prey without courage and civil to balance it is not desirable but unfortunately it is what many sport and LE dogs are about these day

In my breedingprogram I  breed dogs with good prey to dogs with much civil,patroldogtypes, the result is that I produce as much sportdogs as other kennels, but also dog for LE, Personal Protecton, SAR and even seeing eye dogs. But you  wont find the podiumdogs on my pedigrees

Also we see more and more K9 units worldwide having problems with the sporty prey dogs, lack of agression and problems in detecton are often heard problems, and also reason why many switch to malis  

Todays trainingsmethods are enlarging the problems as the most soft and sweet , high prey and fooddrive dogs can be shaped to great heights and points and are used in breeding a lot as people love the podiumdogs on their pedigree

noumerous times I  have seen great dogs being refused for breeding or seling because of lack of fame or famous names on their pedigree

Second big problem is on/of switch, many of those high prey dogs are  "on"  24/7 

and also in sport they have problems with barking, guarding and out, if you visit a seminair from Yogi or Peter Scherk  you will see they found a training answer for this   again, disaster for breeding as these well trained dog dont reproduce their wel learned behaviour

All respect for those great trainers but they make it harder and harder to recognize what we are realy looking at on the field

 

Basically people have different needs and want different dogs as a result there are a number of different standards around the world and even more different interpretations of the different standards.

anyone want to put their hand up to say they got it right in relation to the intentions of the "creator", who was not much of a breeder himself.

People with different needs used to pick the appropriate breed for those needs.
Amen Duke, amen, but no one will hear your wise words.

Duke, I have said the same thing and it appearantly falls on deaf ears. People looking at litters with umteen titles in ped, ask advice about the pedigree, the advice is given by many, unanimously describing screamers, no off, and they get the pup anyway that is oging to be a night mare to live with...guess who gets dumped?