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by darylehret on 11 December 2012 - 01:12
AKC doesn't care if you use a illegitimate conglomeration of two valid kennel names, or the outright theft of a kennel name from a foreign registry.
http://mearskennels.com/index.php/our-pedigree
http://mearskennels.com/index.php/our-pedigree
by Prager on 11 December 2012 - 02:12
You got to look at the registration number.
by Prager on 11 December 2012 - 02:12
Same about Klara z PS and many other dogs.
by hexe on 11 December 2012 - 04:12
You CAN duplicate a name in AKC registration; they'll just throw a number behind the name. Right now, off the top of my head, I know of two showline kennels in the US who each have resued at least one of their previous dog's names--Mittelwest and Wilhendorf--and likewise, there's a Roman numeral either behind the dog's name, or after the kennel name [I've seen it both ways]. I can't even begin to imagine how many GSDs there are registered with the AKC as Duke or Kaiser or Schultz...they have to be in the millions by now--don't know how often the AKC rolls over their numerals.
by aaykay on 11 December 2012 - 05:12
Based on what I hear, the Tom z PS from Cordon An Sat is the most famous among the ones named Tom z PS. His ability to pass on his strong genes down to the forthcoming generations, is highly regarded. Having the Cordon An Sat "Tom" in the pedigree is pretty much a guarantee for dominant, hard, high-quality GSDs due to the way his strong genes power their way into the genetic material of the subsequent generations.
by aaykay on 11 December 2012 - 06:12
You CAN duplicate a name in AKC registration; they'll just throw a number behind the name
Once that different number comes against the name, it is no longer a duplicate, right ?
Once that different number comes against the name, it is no longer a duplicate, right ?
by hexe on 11 December 2012 - 06:12
I suppose you could look at it that way...but too often, the numeric suffix gets 'lost' when pedigrees are being transcribed, and the genealogical record becomes corrupt. Not so much of a problem when one of the dogs is either deceased or too old to have logically been the parent of a particular dog, but when their lifetimes overlap--or, in the case of males in recent years, a dog is collected while alive and has frozen semen available--it can create an opportunity for misrepresentation...
After all, look at this very topic--Tom z PS. Do people generally refer to "1964 Tom" or "1967 Tom" when they say a pup has Tom z PS in the pedigree? Not that I've observed...and how many people know that there were [at least] 3 such dogs?
After all, look at this very topic--Tom z PS. Do people generally refer to "1964 Tom" or "1967 Tom" when they say a pup has Tom z PS in the pedigree? Not that I've observed...and how many people know that there were [at least] 3 such dogs?
by aaykay on 11 December 2012 - 07:12
Do people generally refer to "1964 Tom" or "1967 Tom" when they say a pup has Tom z PS in the pedigree?
Good point. But the first thing I personally do is to look for Cordon An Sat as Tom's sire. If no Cordon (meaning one of the other Tom z PSs), then I may not look further.
I am guessing any serious person interested in the qualities that Tom z PS (from Cordon) bought to the table, would also do the same ?
Good point. But the first thing I personally do is to look for Cordon An Sat as Tom's sire. If no Cordon (meaning one of the other Tom z PSs), then I may not look further.
I am guessing any serious person interested in the qualities that Tom z PS (from Cordon) bought to the table, would also do the same ?
by Hutchins on 11 December 2012 - 12:12
Aaykay, That was my entire point. I was looking at a pedigree yesterday and behind Tom's name it said, "not sired by Cordon." I always have liked Cordon's Tom, so when I saw this, it really got my attention!!
by Hukka on 11 December 2012 - 15:12
And that Tom has the wrong Ora as dam. Then you look at Toms his progeny (Biba z PS), it has Nora as dam, again wrong Nora. The Nora (CMKU26704/96) listed as the dam of Biba can't be the dam, the CMKU26704/96 should be big red flag on this. Biba was born in 1988 (SHPK01464/88/92).
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