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I'm sorry k9nme....but did you really just compare the goings on of the WDA with a horrific child molester who raped young boys? REALLY??? Wow!!

People need to remember this is about dogs...no one is stealing your dinner off your table, your money from your wallet or molesting your kids as you liked to use the comparison. This is about dogs, and better yet, dogs that people do sport with as a hobby mostly, for some it is business, for others it's a business/hobby/passion combined like in my case, but I'm sorry, the WDA nor what they do affects my business in any way shape or form.

I understand keeping people informed, and if that's what you want to do then state facts without the bitterness and all the other crap that comes with that, but comparing it to someone who raped young boys is just beyond my comprehension and severely crosses the line. Also hiding behind a username just makes the intent seem all the more deceiving. I for one like to take my facts from those whose name I know and who can stand behind their statements. And please don't say that you have to hide for fear of retribution, because as I stated above the powers at be have no control over your life, your money and the food on your table, you are the only one with that control. 

I agree with you leotta about the comparisons made, we minimize if possible horrific acts when casual comparisons are made. However WDA actions can influence your business/ hobby/ passion if they are done to insure unearned placements at a Sieger show denying your dog a placement earned. I must be missing something, although the bylaws do call for a person to notify the correspondence secretary if they want to cancel their membership even though no such position is expressly mentioned in the bylaws, the bylaws do state that the secretary is in charge of all correspondence. This does not seem to rise to the level of attempting to ban an SV Judge without any authority so as to not allow him to participate at the Sieger show.

Actually my placings at shows and sieger shows have so far had no affect on my business. I am not in this to have the top dog at the sieger show, don't get me wrong winning is great. But I also want to have not only good show and working dogs, but healthy dogs that will produce correct, good and healthy puppies for families that are looking for a companion, and for families that have suffered the affects of buying a puppy from disreputable breeders who cares nothing for the health of their dogs and puppies, but care more about the money and their placings in the show ring. Now don't misread anything, I am in no way saying that top kennels care nothing for health, on the contrary I believe the majority do, but there are some that do not, and some I know of first hand that do not and I believe it is my duty to educate buyers on what the correct paperwork and certifications should look like and to ask to see it all in person, whether they buy from me or not, they need to be educated so they know what to look for. Because there are people out there that know better, that have owned and produced VA dogs even, that are breeding certified dysplastic dogs, lying about titles, the list goes on and that issue to me is more important than whether or not a certain type of secretary exists, doesn't exist or which judge is banned from whatever show or if I lose one placing because someone's politics or friendship earned them a placing where it was not truly earned. Sure it burns to see it happen and to know that you could have been one place higher had a dog not been in front of you that should have not been in the ring in the first place because of their poor working ability that day, but it's nothing compared to the heartbreak an owner feels having to put down a severly dysplastic dog at a young age because they were lied to by the breeder about the parents health certifications. 

I didn't know that the OP's true identity was a secret, she has a long history of posts and I have not seen where she was trying to hide her identity. People lying about titles and breeding dysplastic dogs are a great subject for another thread. I do not think we should be marginalizing illegal acts by any organization and the members should strive for a level playing field. Most of us do not own dogs with a show history established in Germany that can not be challenged here in the states.

I don't really like to have to search to find someones identity, don't really have the time :) I agree we should all strive for a level playing field, and I did not mean to marginalize any alleged illegal acts, actually I think that we could solve the playing field issue somewhat and the lying about titles/health certifications all in the same way, by setting up some sort of system where things can be verified, at least by show secretaries so a dogs true information, or it's parents true information is entered into the show catalog, instead of being listed as titled when they are in fact not titled. But I wouldn't know where to even start, because of course there is so much red tape and crap to get through that I know it will take years if it ever happens at all. That's a pretty large database to have to set up and then be able to provide accuracy and access too, and it would need to be linked with the organizations overseas that verify titles earned at trials here. I know there is already some, like the ZW database and the Win-Sis Cat system, but no show secretary has time to search through those to verify entries. But hey, there is an easy way to solve it...everyone just tell the dang truth about their dogs LOL!! ~ Barbie

Edited to add that I just searched through about 20 of k9nme's posts and never saw a name posted, and it only shows a history of posts for this year, so I still have no clue who this person is, but maybe I'm just dense LOL??? :) 

Nice post Barbie, I don't have a dog in this fight, I am not currently showing or breeding, I am not a member of any GSD organization. I am a member of an alternative breed organization in order to trial and train. I must be dense as I would never consider to represent my dogs as something they were not and I assumed that there were already checks in place at least to verify titles and hip/elbow certifications. You have a very good point. I am also assuming the op's concern is that there is a hole in the system where votes could be entered in the names of those who were no longer members, there should perhaps be changes in the bylaws in order to clear the wording up. I also think this goes back to a previous post where a person paid for and received a membership card but was not able to vote or listen to the conference calls, there was a concern that this person's vote could of been hijacked. I may be naive but I don't see voter fraud in the WDA, but it is possible and there should be checks in place to see that this does not happen. I do not like to see volunteers of an organization personally attacked as they donate a lot of their time to promote betterment of the breed. But I do think the executive board needs to explain to the membership at large what their motives were when they voted to ban an SV Judge with out cause or authority. And the membership should pay attention to these things the next time they are voting.

I can't believe someone would think the the information supplied when entering a dog is not verified. The hip and elbow information is stamped right on the pedigree you have to supply a copy of. There is an additional step of certifying the tattoo or microchip. Proof of titles are a part of the entry process too. Are they real? That's another discussion, we'll see at the performance test on Saturday, but there is a scorebook with a date and signature from an accredited judge in it. You have to supply a copy of the breed survey and you have to list who did the most recent survey and the date it was done.

The WDA has added two processes to the entry proceedure this year and carries forward another that places the extensive research of information on themselves. The WDA has adopted the SV rule about previous ownership and the WDA has requirements for the VA rating in excess of the requirements the SV has for the VA rating. All of this information has to be painstakingly researched by the WDA. They have to scour the birthdays of the parents and grandparents to ensure none were mated at a time where they did not possess a title or valid survey. They have to research all the ratings of the dogs with SchH2/IPO2 to ensure none received a VA rating previously. They also have to research ownership of all the dogs entered in the show for the previous 12 months.

Some of the claims being made in this thread and others have reached the level of absurd. Someone is not safe at a dog show because a judge/lawyer is going to throw away his/her career with a physical attack. Or other successful people are risking prison by stealing money. There is not one accusation made supported by facts and an identity.

Speaking with a WDA officer and getting the other side of the story was as simple as picking up a telephone, and I am not even a member at this time.

This thread made claims that the WDA engaged in "illegal actions" by not having a "corresponding secretary" and it takes about 5 minutes of reading the by-laws to see that there is no such requirement.  Quite frankly, I'm calling BS on the whole thing until someone wants to step up with a name and some facts.

I would also be interested in seeing where k9 has been identified as a past president.

Rik Atchley

I would recommend anyone wishing a little more information go to the non official GSDCA/WDA facebook page and check out the comments from Danny Spreitler's August 19 post.