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Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 25 September 2012 - 21:09

It might simply be that the dose was not as well calculated as it could have been in the first instance.
The right dose for that weight of dog, even having lost 10 pounds, may well have been the second
lot of metro.  Sometimes Vets get a bit fixed on 'average' dosages.  Human doctors do this also at
times.  Using an average dose of something for me may not be the same effect as for one of you -
e.g. since you could be a more 'average' size female person, and I'm a bigger and heavier one.

Not familiar with US veterinary dosing practices, but as  Molly&Jack  observed, the first dose seems a
little low.  So if the higher dose had been given in the first place it might have had a faster effect;
and been less expensive for you ?

If the cause was SIBO/ IBD, better prepare yourself for recurring problems.  The English Royal Vet College
is doing quite a lot of research on this, and trying to tackle it, 'cos there is quite a lot of regular gastric
upset in several lines of dogs here that may  be attributable to this condition. Presumably your dog
is an adult, or nearly so, if he normally weighs in at 85 pounds -  but just how old is he ?

by SitasMom on 25 September 2012 - 22:09


dog was given Flagil but that didn't work.
was given panacur but that didn't work.

he's fat and happy now....

many worms attache to stomach or intesting causing infection that dose of metro cleaned it up.


by bcrawford on 25 September 2012 - 22:09

dog was given Flagil but that didn't work.
was given panacur but that didn't work.

he's fat and happy now....

many worms attache to stomach or intesting causing infection that dose of metro cleaned it up.

@SitasMom you know that Metronidazole and "Flagyl" are the same thing right? So the Metronidazole(Flagyl) did clear it up. ;)

Flagyl is a brand name of the compound Metronidazole. Just like Augmentin is a brand name for the compound of amoxicillin and clavulanate potassium. Great stuff for human ear infections. ;)


macrowe1

by macrowe1 on 26 September 2012 - 01:09

Could be a stress reaction to a situation. When my 2 year old girl gets stressed, she'll have loose stool, no parasites no nothing. Put her on some metronidazole, goes away and stays gone. Could be eating something that was different, whether that be a different food, a plant, or just a bite of table scraps. Some dogs have extremely sensitive stomachs, and the slightest thing can set off a cascade of stuff. But we typically prescribe metronidazole as an antibiotic for the gut. Helps with colitis, as well as giardia, and helps slows the gut down. Could've been too little of a dose for the size of the dog. And yes bcrawford, flagyl and metronidazole are basically the same products.

by SitasMom on 26 September 2012 - 04:09


macrowe1 - when you prescribe it, is it once or twice a day, and at what amount per pound?

mollyandjack

by mollyandjack on 26 September 2012 - 14:09

http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/191284.htm
Just in my experience...for what it's worth...when my vet prescribed Jack metronidazole for what he thought was stress-induced diarrhea, he prescribed the lower end dosage.
"Recommended dose rates for metronidazole in dogs are 44 mg/kg, PO, followed by 22 mg/kg, qid for anaerobic infections; 25 mg/kg, PO, bid for giardiasis; and 66 mg/kg, PO, sid for trichomoniasis. Courses of therapy are generally 5-7 days. Both PO and IV preparations are available.
"

Also, I find this chart helpful when dealing with chronic diarrhea:

http://www.vetmed.helsinki.fi/klel/tylosiini/Tylosin_Fig1.png

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 26 September 2012 - 15:09

That's a helpful chart, M&J; thanks.  Must try to save it for future reference.:)

by SitasMom on 26 September 2012 - 18:09


the higher dose of metro took care of my dog, he's back to being himself and pooping well......


a second dog, not mine, our dogs had no interaction and had never been to my place....

came down with the same symptoms - runny poo, weight loss, walking like a camel.......
owner tried panacur, metro at the lower dose, and chicken/rice diet with no relief.
he took this dog to my vet who prescribed the higher dose of metro, prescription fish and rice kibble, and a blood for cbc.
results came back with slightly elevated wbc and normal thyroid function.

its only been 3 days, but owner says he's doing better, but not perfect yet.

my friend is in wait and see mode, vet said that the levels were just slightly elevated, which could be bacterial infection or response to some type of inflammation... said to stay the course on the metro and give it time. if he gets worse or his poo doesn't improve to norma in the next week bring him in again.


i just don't understand why vets are not prescribing metro at a high enough dose or frequency - can anyone give insight on this?

mollyandjack

by mollyandjack on 26 September 2012 - 18:09

Neurotoxicity is possible at higher doses, and it can be harmful to the liver.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 26 September 2012 - 21:09

So they are being cautious ?   Not a question of some of them looking at it as a double-
earner, if you have to come back and get a 2nd prescription ?  Sorry to sound cynical -
its just that we see so many complaints on here about money-making by Vets, I can't
help asking.





 


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