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by beetree on 22 September 2012 - 21:09
Oh.. oh. I know the answer, I do! Ask yourself first, will it really help to define "soft" in the context of this question? Oxymoron was a kind way of putting it, don't you think? Whereas you just as well called Guy a moron, for asking such a dumb question.
by cphudson on 22 September 2012 - 22:09
Handler sensitive is more related to the dogs willingness to please their handler. They take a mistake / correction more personal because it displeased their handler in doing so. They are generally easier to train dogs that love to work for the pure pleasure of making their handler happy and being with them. They do best with more clear rules, fair handling and positive training methods. But handlers that prefer to train with faster results with more force base training methods normally don't do as well with more handler sensitive dogs.
A harder dog general is more independent, prefers to do things on their terms and does not take joy in obeying their handler just to make them happy if nothing is in it for them; ball, tug, etc. normally these types of dogs you must use more corrective base training methods to correct disobedience or make them do something they rather not when told.
A softer handler might have a harder time with this type of dog, because the dog will see them as a push over they don't have to listen too. But many handlers love this type of dog and when properly motivated they normal have out standing obedience.
Both have to do with how the dog best learns and type of training / handling approach best works.
Both types of dogs can have stable temperaments, good nerves and drives. So yes you can have a handler sensitive dog train in police work if it had the correct temperament, but most times the lack the kind of learning style it takes to successfully complete a police training course. They are generally best suited for sport, service, agility, SAR, etc.
The dog being corrected by stepping on his leash is not what I would consider a handler sensitive dog, because this action did not relate with his handler reaction to his behavior. It sound more like a weak nerve dog.
A dog with weak nerves would always have some level of stress when working / training / in new environments so
takes less to startle the dog further in his already stress state. A weak nerve is not good for any type of work, sport, or reliable family pet.
A harder dog general is more independent, prefers to do things on their terms and does not take joy in obeying their handler just to make them happy if nothing is in it for them; ball, tug, etc. normally these types of dogs you must use more corrective base training methods to correct disobedience or make them do something they rather not when told.
A softer handler might have a harder time with this type of dog, because the dog will see them as a push over they don't have to listen too. But many handlers love this type of dog and when properly motivated they normal have out standing obedience.
Both have to do with how the dog best learns and type of training / handling approach best works.
Both types of dogs can have stable temperaments, good nerves and drives. So yes you can have a handler sensitive dog train in police work if it had the correct temperament, but most times the lack the kind of learning style it takes to successfully complete a police training course. They are generally best suited for sport, service, agility, SAR, etc.
The dog being corrected by stepping on his leash is not what I would consider a handler sensitive dog, because this action did not relate with his handler reaction to his behavior. It sound more like a weak nerve dog.
A dog with weak nerves would always have some level of stress when working / training / in new environments so
takes less to startle the dog further in his already stress state. A weak nerve is not good for any type of work, sport, or reliable family pet.
by GSDguy08 on 23 September 2012 - 00:09
cphudson thanks for the response, and thanks for actually having something good to add to the discussion.
by joanro on 23 September 2012 - 01:09
Bee, I don't think "oxymoron" has any thing to do with calling guy a moron. "soft dogs...enduring the fight" is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. That's how I read it, anyway.
by Gustav on 23 September 2012 - 02:09
Thanks Joanro !
by hexe on 23 September 2012 - 02:09
No, a soft dog can't endure the fight, because the bad guy's hands can sink down into the soft, fluffy coat and be cushioned against any injury, so the dog can't hurt him and the bad guy keeps hitting the dog. A good police dog has to be very hard, so the bad guy hurts his hands on the harsh, steel-wool like fur when he hits the dog, which makes the bad guy stop fighting.
Oh...you didn't mean that kind of soft. Sorry.
Oh...you didn't mean that kind of soft. Sorry.
by beetree on 23 September 2012 - 02:09
LOL, hey you guys....I know what YOU meant, but it was my play on words, that I think, Jenni gets.~~~
by Gustav on 23 September 2012 - 12:09
Gotcha Beetree....lol
by joanro on 23 September 2012 - 12:09
Ok, Bee.:)
by Sunsilver on 23 September 2012 - 14:09
A truly soft dog would book it off the field if the helper/bad guy showed the slightest amount of aggession. It would probably be pissing itself as it ran!
I tried working with a very soft, timid dog. Even trying to teach her basic obedience was a nightmare! She was fine at home, but take her to a strange place, and she'd be spooking at everything!
If a stranger approached, especially a child, she'd try to hide behind me.
I tried working with a very soft, timid dog. Even trying to teach her basic obedience was a nightmare! She was fine at home, but take her to a strange place, and she'd be spooking at everything!
If a stranger approached, especially a child, she'd try to hide behind me.
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