No worries here.  I think your dogs are gorgeous btw.  Congrats on that!


Chris

Bad stack - good looking pup.
If you are looking for a good dog without the intention to be a participant of the Nationals this female is a good choice ( health? hips? elbows?)
Enjoy her!

Can someone please check out pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/dog.html?id=1826956 is that good german bloodline?  I don't understand how to read pedigree thanks

Orene65
I am no expert on what comes out of all bloodlines either;  but there are things about Mady's pedigree that anyone
could point out to you:
Generation 3 going backwards ie great grandparents - some good and some famous names of German dogs and kennels,
all with their SV Hip clearances and titles earned.
Generation 2: grandparents - dogs i have personnally never heard of (which does not mean no one else on here knows
of them), but no titles shown, and on the sire's side, no Hips either.  At least her mother has hip cleared parents (both
aNormal).
Generation 1: haven't heard anything about either parent either; neither sire nor dam have any titles or gradings listed
(which screams "Pet" at me); and neither have any hip clearance - if done in USA that should be an OFA grade.  (Which
screams "bad breeder").
Which means you have no early clues as to how good or bad her hip joints are, which is not particularly good news.  Sorry to have to be the bearer of it; hope you get lucky and don't have trouble with them.

Shaz
Try another photo but pay more attention to where you/she puts her back legs.  They are too far forward and too far
apart in that stack, which turns her rear feet out to the side and does not improve her 'topline' ie her back looks too
curved [which is what people are mainly objecting to I think]- the middle point of her back should not be higher than
the wither, the point over the shoulder;  in your photo it is, and then falls away too sharply towards her tail.  Study
pics of other dogs on here then you'll see what I mean.

--- >  I myself DO NOT like the conformation of that dog, and would NEVER breed for it either

I love showlines, have had showlines, myself, but I do not like the conformation of that dog, either! She has a camel back and
her rear just drops off. It is not my idea of a good representation of the breed nor is it something I would ever breed upon or want the breed to become :( You can do much better. Her head is also very masculine, IMHO...

Marjorie
http://www.gsdbbr.org The German Shepherd Dog Breed Betterment Registry (a health registry for registered German Shepherds)
BE PROACTIVE!
http://mzjf.com --> The Degenerative Myelopathy Support Group http://www.mzjf.info/hgate Heaven's Gate  

  Agree  bad stack not to my liking and looking thru the pups sired by both dam and sire mainly BOOMER  a lot of the stacks are very extreme so not able to see the true body of any of them....

  like looking at a BANANA on some of them and others remind me of   STRETCHED LIMO.......

   BUT I did go thru the SIBLINGS and saw the BOOMER does produce well


   this is the latest he has to his credit that I could agree would be good.

SIEGERIN- 6-9 NASS 2011 Flic-Flac von Wilhendorf

   Here is 2011  good fact:  Boomer has sired a large number to very good bitches/////

  

  

YR-that is Exactly what I got out of it . I do not like the ARCH in the back. It is not what. I feel should be encouraged for the breed.

Maybe it's a bad stack, but I don't like the conformation of the dog. I personally do not like dogs that look like this. I like both show and workling lines, and I like a few in the pedigree, but there's some on the female's side that in my opinion never should've been bred. When a Shepherd looks like they're trying to go to the bathroom 24-7, there's something wrong. Should be a nice slope, not a drop off.  

Looked at the photos in the pedigree again- I see flat feet or long toes on the dam and one of the grandfathers- weak pasterns? I looked at the photos of the dam's progeny and I see the long toes again- not the tight feet I like to see and some long hocks. Flat feet would make it hard for a dog to function properly. She seems to throw progeny with her type of conformation. The grandchildren were better, but still nothing to make me want to explore the line any further or hope someone will breed upon it. No where in the standard, that I am aware of, does it say a GSD should have a hump or bump in the middle of its back. An arch can make a fixed object stronger, which is why they have arches on long bridge spans. Dogs are not fixed objects, so the reasoning is just not applicable. I also do not like rears that just  *fall off*. Thats not in the standard, either. The banana backs are of a concern to me, neurologically. The nerves may end up eventually becoming pinched, where they come together after the hump, and this has been written about in several papers I have come across. I wish I had kept the link to the articles, as they were very interesting. I see some dippy, uneven backs in the progeny, as well.
Marjorie
http://www.gsdbbr.org The German Shepherd Dog Breed Betterment Registry (a health registry for registered German Shepherds)
BE PROACTIVE!
http://mzjf.com --> The Degenerative Myelopathy Support Group http://www.mzjf.info/hgate Heaven's Gate . 

  I agree Marj and Mac:

   I did not even waste time on the Dam....

   Boomer is only part I would consider but not this pup..

  REMEMBER  the female(dam) is contributing 65 % to YOUR PUP.......


   NEGATIVE on this one.

  YR